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A dumping ground for random ideas. Nothing in here is necessarily canon. Feel free to dump your own ideas, too.
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Vāstra II 09-Oct-16 01:11 PM
License plate serials correspond to local government area of issuance and also vehicle type and/or weight.
I wish you could manipulate channel permissions on mobile.
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 03:46 PM
A divide in linguistic families between parts of the country, with one of the non-Airumāli-speaking parts, centered on the Lier valley, using a sibilant-heavy language that seems more befitting the soft, flowing, musical voice of a safir, and is written with an equally flowing and beautiful script
Male safir are far more common than they were historically (or, claim some, than they have any right being).
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 03:58 PM
Safir have a tendency to randomly fall asleep for as much as 30 minutes at a time; this is called “snoozing” and is due to a safir's mind constantly being overworked, or nearly so, especially with the barrage of inputs it must process. While snoozing, safir do access the Dreamworld. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 06:55 PM
XD
Are those last two directly related to the first?
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KaliFyre 10-Oct-16 06:59 PM
shrugs
I can't see any relation. lol
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 07:29 PM
Also, *insert joke about Arkanis' Dreamworld being the Succubus manor*
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 08:31 PM
*also insert jokes about the Wet Dreamworld*
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:17 PM
Lol
Mobile Discord seems to ignore backslashes
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:18 PM
Huh
Also
I had a couple of thoughts earlier, or at least one
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:18 PM
Do tell
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:19 PM
First of all, that assuming no super-dominant genes, that Nami sacrifices her safir psionics (except perhaps for weak telekinesis) for kitsune dexterity and shapeshifting (including a feral form)
OH
And I think the other one was simply Seoni and Aoife being roommates (which I think has been established for a while anyway) instead of master and pet, unless they're really weird like that of course >w>
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:20 PM
Heh
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:21 PM
Who knows what Aoife likes XD
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:28 PM
Remember that safir are dextrous too (edited)
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:28 PM
Yes, but fox~
*Nami fwips her tails*
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:36 PM
Heh
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:36 PM
Nami: *poofs into a fox and climbs up Carl's back* owo
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:37 PM
Oh hai O.o
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:37 PM
Nami: ^w^
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:37 PM
*Has Nami's winter coat grown in yet?*
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:37 PM
Nami: *perhaps?*
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:38 PM
*snuggles the possibly-floofy fox*
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:38 PM
Nami: *the floof is snugged*
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:39 PM
^_^
That said, the various transformations do seem unright in a world without arcane magic???
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:39 PM
You're saying Nami's world is devoid of magic?
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:55 PM
Safiria is
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:55 PM
Well, she's not from Safiria
=P
She's just inherited some of its blood (edited)
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 09:57 PM
I should have clarified: world as in conworld (i.e. setting), not planet
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 09:57 PM
Ah XD
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Yoshiman400 10-Oct-16 11:56 PM
But yeah, I think the shapeshifting is too ubiquitous to be neglected
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Vāstra II 10-Oct-16 11:56 PM
It does seem rather incongruous
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-16 07:52 PM
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicPowersOverview.htm#disciplineSubdiscipline Perhaps safir are divided in a manner similar to D&D's psionic disciplines instead of all being reasonably expected to manifest some sort of psychokinetic power? (This is kinda sort possibly maybe already a thing in Alden, with James' Nahiri being keenly able to influence emotion instead of having any known PK)
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KaliFyre 11-Oct-16 07:56 PM
She does have PK, just weaker than most safir.
She prefers not to use it because it's so weak. heh
But yeah, I'm willing to go the psionic discipline route.
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-16 08:00 PM
Nahiri would fall squarely into Telepathy, then
Also, you should play with her sometime 😛
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KaliFyre 11-Oct-16 08:06 PM
Dude.
We need to play D&D (edited)
Also, that site is fucking godlike!
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-16 08:32 PM
Yes we do, and yes it is
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 09:31 PM
Idea: For romanizing Airumali without accents (e.g. most everyone on IRC not named Carl)--if an Airumali consonant has an unaccented medial or final romanization which is a doubled consonant, then its unaccented initial romanization shall be a different cluster of consonants. Example suggestion: "Rhoen" would be preferred over "Rroen".
Or "Lhiriel" over "Lliriel"
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 09:48 PM
<h> is used to denote lenition on those consonants that are subject to it
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 09:48 PM
Oh?
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 09:50 PM
namely <p t k q b d g f š v ž m n>
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 09:51 PM
I'm strictly talking about consonant you romanize with accents
Oh, I see, you're saying you use an extra h for a different purpose. (edited)
I still don't remember what lenition is especially without an example XP
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 09:52 PM
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 09:53 PM
so example pls?
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 09:53 PM
In linguistics, lenition is a kind of sound change that alters consonants, making them more sonorous (vowel-like). The word lenition itself means "softening" or "weakening" (from Latin lenis = weak). Lenition can happen both synchronically (i.e. within a language at a particular point in time) and diachronically (i.e. as a language changes over time). Lenition can involve such changes as making a consonant more sonorous, causing a consonant to lose its place of articulation (a phenomenon called debuccalizat...
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 09:53 PM
Ahhh
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 09:53 PM
Consonant mutation is change in a consonant in a word according to its morphological or syntactic environment. Mutation phenomena occur in languages around the world. A prototypical example of consonant mutation is the initial consonant mutation of all modern Celtic languages. Initial consonant mutation is also found in Indonesian or Malay, in Southern Paiute and in several West African languages such as Fula. The Nilotic language Dholuo, spoken in Kenya, shows mutation of stem-final consonants, as does Eng...
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 09:54 PM
Rite rite, so an example in Airumali?
I could probably find one in that manual you uploaded but I'm also sure it'll be easier to remember here if I know how to search logs 😄
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 10:00 PM
I need to collate the four manuals and the web stuff together...
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 10:00 PM
heh
Wait, four?
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 10:01 PM
Yes
Maybe five
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 10:01 PM
o_o
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 10:02 PM
That one's old
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 10:02 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 10:03 PM
Lenition occurs:— 1. After the vocative particle ā, e.g. Kaēna → ā Khaēna 2. After singular genitive pronouns, e.g. fīna “breast” → mae fhīna “her breast” 3. After the cardinal numbers 7 through 12, e.g. kulei “leg” → otau khulei “eight legs” 4. In the second part of a compound word, e.g. teiga “grab” + dynēřu “plush toy” → teigadhynēřu “claw machine” 5. After some prepositions, e.g. krani “tree” → trī khrani “through a tree” 6. After the indefinite article ir when declining into the ablative, allative, inessive, perlative, or terminative cases, e.g. nani “freshwater fish” → ir nhaniu “from a freshwater fish” 7. After the definite particle an when declining into the essive, comitative, dative, or genitive cases, e.g. Benālia → av Bhenāliai Novī “New Benalia”. 8. On adjectives that adverbially modify definite verbs
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 10:03 PM
Ahhh
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 10:03 PM
Had to copy the stuff out of that book and modify it to fit the language as it presently stands
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 10:11 PM
Heh, aesthetically I'm just not too big on beginning with a double consonant XP
Also remind me why in https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6446972/Safiria/Thrice%20Xandvii%20Airumali.png that Q and (A) have two characters?
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-16 10:34 PM
Aesthetics
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-16 10:34 PM
Ah
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Yoshiman400 13-Oct-16 09:26 PM
Another thought: In order for Safirian (read: not safir) mothers to get that sweet super-long maternity leave, both genetic parents (or the mother and potential "instigator" in the case of parthenogenic conception) must be registered Safirian citizens. Otherwise, the mother may choose to accept her leave but must waive a significant portion if not all of the government aid normally provided. This is to prevent excessive freeloading. (edited)
Also, parthenogenic conceptions in which it can be reasonably proved that they were legitimately spontaneous and not the result of instigation from an outside sentient being will only qualify the mother for leave with full benefits if it is her third* or earlier child. *Placeholder number
Again, to prevent excessive freeloading
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Yoshiman400 13-Oct-16 10:17 PM
So aye? No?
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Vāstra II 13-Oct-16 10:18 PM
It makes sense, especially since foreigners have no or little recourse to public funds in most countries, and clone babies would be a decent-sized drain on resources
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Yoshiman400 13-Oct-16 10:19 PM
Is instigator a bad word BTW?
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Vāstra II 13-Oct-16 10:21 PM
Depends on what most commonly instigates parthenogenesis
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Yoshiman400 13-Oct-16 10:21 PM
Ah
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Yoshiman400 13-Oct-16 10:30 PM
Do you have a better word at the moment anyway?
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Vāstra II 13-Oct-16 10:36 PM
Not really
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Yoshiman400 13-Oct-16 10:36 PM
Alright
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Vāstra II 14-Oct-16 12:08 AM
Found another good safir name: Nyturi
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-16 03:55 AM
Some part of what is now Syvreiš once fell to a courtesans' revolution a long time ago, thus rendering acceptable a laissez-faire attitude towards sex that is now the norm
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KaliFyre 16-Oct-16 04:03 AM
Yep.
I agree.
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-16 04:06 AM
You should pick up a copy of the Planet Construction Kit sometime
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Yoshiman400 16-Oct-16 03:50 PM
The norm everywhere, or just that region?
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-16 03:51 PM
Certainly the region, at least (edited)
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Yoshiman400 16-Oct-16 03:51 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 25-Oct-16 11:38 PM
A starcraft, or class or more of starcraft, that is essentially a colony of iridescent ᴄᴏʀᴀʟs that is collectively sapient and psionic. The captain and helmsman are required to be excellent telepaths, mainly to handle sending to and receiving a dozen-greatgross-greatgross "minds" at once. (edited)
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Vāstra II 26-Oct-16 12:40 AM
The Panabas is a large, forward-curved sword or battle axe used by certain ethnic groups in the southern Philippines. It can range in size from 2 to 4 feet and can be held with one or both hands, delivering a deep, meat cleaver-like cut. In its heyday, it was used as a combat weapon, as an execution tool, and as a display of power. Occasional use as an agricultural and butchering tool has also been noted. The sword's name is a shortening of the word "pang-tabas", which means "chopping tool". As such, its et...
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Yoshiman400 26-Oct-16 08:40 PM
battle axes are good :3
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Vāstra II 27-Oct-16 01:40 AM
It's a sword — see the picture at top of article — but battle axen are good :3
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Vāstra II 02-Nov-16 05:59 PM
There used to be nine goddesses. Mahaqaisu the Open Book killed one of them.
The goddesses' consorts are all seraphs, but they're not necessarily male, or 1:1.
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Yoshiman400 02-Nov-16 07:17 PM
Aren't there only seven?
(six + Amane?)
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Vāstra II 02-Nov-16 09:52 PM
There are. I don't know what would have happened to the eighth in this case.
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Yoshiman400 02-Nov-16 09:53 PM
XD
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Vāstra II 06-Nov-16 07:33 PM
In one subculture - perhaps old Qalani - female safir wore masks to frustrate the gaze of covetous males. These masks would have become more and more elaborately decorated as the owner grew older and/or more prestigious.
Or maybe it was the males who wore the masks...
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Yoshiman400 06-Nov-16 07:34 PM
Oh?
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Vāstra II 06-Nov-16 07:34 PM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 07-Nov-16 07:06 AM
Referenda require the consent of 50%+1 of the electors and 50%+1 of the "federal subjects" (states and territories).
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KaliFyre 07-Nov-16 08:47 AM
Yep.
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Yoshiman400 11-Nov-16 12:20 AM
Jared: "Now I'm driving your car!" :D
Jared: "AND I'M JERKIN IT OFF LIKE IT'S GOT A DYUCK!"
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KaliFyre 11-Nov-16 12:21 AM
(Though I'd kill for a 16 inch dick sometimes. kek)
(I need less hyper in the porn diet. haha)
Anyway.
Any furrher NSFW discussion to the relevant channels please. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 11-Nov-16 12:22 AM
Aue
Aye*
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KaliFyre 11-Nov-16 12:22 AM
Fuck I hate backseat modding though. 😐
I am technically mod here though, I believe.
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Vāstra II 25-Nov-16 05:05 AM
Nauts bark like Yank nukes. (edited)
Or, in civilian: Space Force astronauts talk like American submariners.
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Vāstra II 25-Nov-16 05:25 AM
http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-407 Why alien space elf gods and recording equipment don't mix 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 26-Nov-16 01:23 AM
When a safir gets her first (and often only) haircut as part of initiation, at least traditionally, some of it is made into writing brushes. Losing that/those brush(es) is clearly a bad idea.
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KaliFyre 26-Nov-16 01:24 AM
YES
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Vāstra II 26-Nov-16 01:24 AM
😃
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KaliFyre 26-Nov-16 01:25 AM
I was about to suggest the same thing, actually. 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 26-Nov-16 01:25 AM
Heh
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KaliFyre 26-Nov-16 01:25 AM
Our talks make ideas. 😛
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Vāstra II 26-Nov-16 01:25 AM
Great minds think alike
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KaliFyre 26-Nov-16 01:25 AM
Yup. 😝
I KSP now. haha
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Vāstra II 26-Nov-16 10:24 PM
We need to get Safiria back onto Micras by January 11, as that is when the World Cup qualifying schedule will be announced (edited)
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Vāstra II 27-Nov-16 02:10 PM
I'm tempted to have Safirian diplomats remain under house arrest when recalled until they can be thoroughly debriefed and their minds wiped of classified information
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KaliFyre 28-Nov-16 12:36 AM
Why?
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Vāstra II 28-Nov-16 01:00 AM
To stop them from leaking — safir are telepaths, after all
(OOC: because the idea caught in my mind after hearing Ric joke about it in Discord!AlexChat)
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KaliFyre 28-Nov-16 02:12 AM
Ah.
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KaliFyre 29-Nov-16 03:07 AM
I'l literally going to link that comment everytime someone starts spazzing out about our wildlife being gigantic and lethal. (edited)
Aussies love taking the piss, but now it's gone about 100 times over the acceptable norm...
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 01:44 AM
The green-white-blue tricolor more befits Firneramnen than the Alliance as a whole (a very useful example of synecdoche, say high school English teachers), so I imagined a new flag for the Alliance as a whole: 1:3 aspect ratio, cosmic latte with a purple tilted seven-pointed star in chief (representing the seven most important polities of the Alliance) into which are inset four four-pointed stars (representing its four core worlds); in base would be a pattern of stars, dots, and lines suggesting the Alliance's interstellar reach (edited)
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KaliFyre 06-Dec-16 01:57 AM
I've been thinking that the flag needs more of a space empire feel.
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 01:57 AM
Perhaps cosmic latte fading to purple
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KaliFyre 06-Dec-16 01:57 AM
Itavr is a good space empire fleg, imo.
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 01:58 AM
Itavrnai has goodfleg in general
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KaliFyre 06-Dec-16 01:58 AM
Safira remins me too much of an Earth nation. (Looking at you Sierra Leone.) (edited)
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 02:06 AM
also contemplates the legal and regulatory environment surrounding psionics.
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KaliFyre 06-Dec-16 02:23 AM
Indeed.
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 02:54 AM
Idea for Aňira city governance: the head of government is split between the Chief Seer and Chief Telepath, and has been since the Union of the City was a proper psiocracy. (There are chiefs of other disciplines, but they aren't heads of government.)
The Lord Mayor, meanwhile, was traditionally a minor member of the House of Ašura.
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KaliFyre 06-Dec-16 02:58 AM
Sound cool.
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 03:02 AM
Qalani has three consuls: one selected by the daughters of the city (resident freewomen) from the various wards, one by the nonresident, generally unionized or guilded, workers, and the third by the capitalists (corporations with offices in the City) from the various Functional Ridings. The wards and Functional Ridings also send representatives to the Chamber of the Moons (city council). (edited)
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KaliFyre 06-Dec-16 03:02 AM
Cool.
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 03:03 AM
:D
The Chamber of the Sun, meanwhile, was once Qalani's upper house, and is now used for ceremonial functions and as a term of art for the parliamentary functions of the consuls.
(The chief shamaness and factor of the city also have non-voting seats in the Chamber of the Sun.)
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Yoshiman400 06-Dec-16 06:03 PM
Synecdoche?
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Vāstra II 06-Dec-16 08:35 PM
Using a part to represent the whole
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Yoshiman400 06-Dec-16 08:35 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-16 04:43 AM
Beanbag chairs on public transport. For nagas and shit. Y/N
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KaliFyre 13-Dec-16 05:51 AM
Y
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-16 05:53 AM
will continue to hmm and contemplate naga/drider/etc seating later
For now, have a sketch of an umiak saddle.
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KaliFyre 13-Dec-16 05:59 AM
Huh.
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-16 05:59 AM
Lots of money could be made by rotating office/dentist chair seats 90⁰ backwards, remounting them, and selling them to umiak
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KaliFyre 13-Dec-16 06:03 AM
Indeed.
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Yoshiman400 13-Dec-16 09:15 PM
Umiak?
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-16 09:16 PM
A race of insectoid aliens from Jim Francis' comic Outsider ( http://www.well-of-souls.com/outsider ), and the archenemies of the loroi
Jim Francis
A full-color web-based science fiction comic.
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Yoshiman400 13-Dec-16 09:17 PM
ah
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-16 09:32 PM
Note, however, that umiak don't look so much like mantises outside of the sketch world
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Yoshiman400 13-Dec-16 09:33 PM
Huh
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KaliFyre 13-Dec-16 09:58 PM
Safiria and Itavr need an alliance name. Or at least a treaty name. lol
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-16 10:03 PM
But first, an alliance. 😛
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KaliFyre 13-Dec-16 10:08 PM
Yus!
I thought we had one implied, yet not worked on. lol
But yeah, lets formalize this shit.
On the Vyktoryan forums, if preferrable.
heh
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david 14-Dec-16 04:14 AM
Damn @Vāstra II I didn’t know you could draw
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Vāstra II 14-Dec-16 04:17 AM
Not mine
Those drawings are by Jim Francis, who draws the webcomic linked above, from whose universe they come
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david 14-Dec-16 04:18 AM
ah okay
I felt my position as soul provider of pretty things for micras being threatened there 😛
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Vāstra II 14-Dec-16 04:19 AM
Lol
I do wish I could draw, though
In an ideal world, I'd make anime-style pretty things and you'd keep the more realistic style that you have now 😛 (edited)
also, *sole
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david 14-Dec-16 04:20 AM
sorry
and carl than you must learn
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Vāstra II 14-Dec-16 04:20 AM
Yeah ._.
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david 14-Dec-16 04:21 AM
well, there are a lot of tutorials online
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KaliFyre 14-Dec-16 04:51 AM
I'm gonna learn too for Itavr. 😛
And also Hoennese gardevoirs. :3
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 09:35 PM
So I had an idea for a uniquely Safirian aircraft the other day, not least because it'd take six limbs to operate
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Yoshiman400 18-Dec-16 09:35 PM
Oh?!
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 09:35 PM
It would be like a tiltrotor but with jet engines instead of props
Lower arms point the main nacelles, upper arms control throttle, feet point (port/starboard) and throttle (fore/aft) the smaller rear engine
Ah, it looks like we've done tiltjets but only experimentally
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 10:14 PM
:3?
Also, drone racing. 😛
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 10:34 PM
Maybe the rear engine isn't necessary?
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 10:55 PM
o.o
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Yoshiman400 18-Dec-16 10:55 PM
Good question
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 10:59 PM
But do you like the idea in general?
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Yoshiman400 18-Dec-16 10:59 PM
Aye
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Vāstra II 18-Dec-16 11:07 PM
😃
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KaliFyre 19-Dec-16 04:14 AM
Cool idea.
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Vāstra II 19-Dec-16 04:16 AM
😄
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Vāstra II 22-Dec-16 06:01 AM
Boomerangs.
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KaliFyre 22-Dec-16 06:13 AM
Yus!
Wait, is this a meme?
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Vāstra II 22-Dec-16 07:10 AM
No, I'm just not sure whether they'd be better off here or in Hoenn
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KaliFyre 22-Dec-16 07:22 AM
Ah.
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Vāstra II 02-Jan-17 02:57 AM
The maximum telepathic range (~100 m) is a common unit of middle distance.
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KaliFyre 02-Jan-17 06:36 AM
👍
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Vāstra II 15-Jan-17 04:01 AM
wonders what could be symbolized by a blindfolded safir holding a lantern
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Vāstra II 23-Jan-17 01:27 PM
Since the world is different from ours, the dragons could have bones that are made out of different materials - either go with "dragon bone" and...
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KaliFyre 23-Jan-17 08:26 PM
I've been using similar ideas for Itavr.
Good to know it's not just a pipe dream. (edited)
steals.
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Vāstra II 25-Jan-17 11:17 AM
contemplates timeline-jumping both psionic and technological, à la GURPS Alternate Earths
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KaliFyre 25-Jan-17 06:20 PM
Oooh!
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-17 10:43 PM
looks at the Wikipedia article on alternate periodic tables, and wonders how the safir categorize the elements
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Vāstra II 29-Jan-17 01:41 AM
Sapient dolphins.
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KaliFyre 29-Jan-17 02:19 AM
YUS!
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Vāstra II 29-Jan-17 02:20 AM
😄
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KaliFyre 29-Jan-17 04:16 AM
hMMM
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Vāstra II 08-Mar-17 12:07 AM
Hmm, I wonder how the safir justice system treats other races who don't share their lifespan
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 10:18 AM
“English creates or borrows new words fairly readily; extreme… conservatism might make for a genuinely interesting alien vocabulary.” Hmmmmmm…
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 11:44 AM
One of these days I should sit down and figure out whether I want Classical Āirumāli or any of its descendants to have a pitch accent or something or what (and the same with politeness levels and stuff)
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 12:14 PM
also contemplates polysynthesis
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Yoshiman400 11-Mar-17 09:34 PM
Pitch accent: like dialects of Chinese?
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 10:55 PM
No, that's tones; pitch accent is like Japanese or Ancient Greek
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Yoshiman400 11-Mar-17 10:56 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 10:58 PM
Also, new computer 😄
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Yoshiman400 11-Mar-17 10:58 PM
AWESOME
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 10:58 PM
And I've already had to reinstall Windows twice 😆
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Yoshiman400 11-Mar-17 10:58 PM
Why? XD
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 10:58 PM
First time was because Windows 7 and Kaby Lake processors don't play nice together; second time was because I accidentally formatted the hard drive as MBR rather than GPT, which can be rather sucky for a 3 TB hard drive
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Yoshiman400 11-Mar-17 11:00 PM
huh
why doesn't Kaby Lake work with 7?
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-17 11:00 PM
By order of Micro$oft, Kaby Lake and Ryzen processors are only supported in Windows 10
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Yoshiman400 11-Mar-17 11:01 PM
huh
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Vāstra II 12-Mar-17 11:14 PM
TODO: a wiki article on safir stages of development
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Vāstra II 16-Mar-17 03:16 PM
http://firefly-path.deviantart.com/art/Goddess-of-Angels-Gown-638020649 looks like something Āmāne would wear (assuming She does wear clothes)
Our client commissioned us to design & create a gown with an angelic theme. The heavily beaded corset acts as an ethereal chestplate. Several layers of tulle and sparkle netting create the airy...
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Yoshiman400 16-Mar-17 09:53 PM
I've seen a sketch of her with clothes before >w>
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Vāstra II 16-Mar-17 09:53 PM
<w<
But is nice?
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Yoshiman400 16-Mar-17 09:53 PM
Oh yes
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Vāstra II 16-Mar-17 09:53 PM
😃
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Vāstra II 17-Mar-17 12:09 PM
Hmm
The massive Star Wars starcraft are skewing my possible answers 😛
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KaliFyre 17-Mar-17 06:14 PM
XP
Not to mention the EVE Titans. 😛
I daresay the biggest Itavr ship is 13,103m long.
😛
needs to stop using his birthdate as an easter egg for every number ever. 😝 (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Mar-17 06:21 PM
Lol
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:26 PM
well, I doubt Nexxus is 14 years old, so...
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Vāstra II 17-Mar-17 06:27 PM
👋🏻
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:27 PM
Hi!
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KaliFyre 17-Mar-17 06:29 PM
31/03/1996
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:29 PM
Ahhhh
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KaliFyre 17-Mar-17 06:29 PM
The 1 is for embiggening. 😛
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:29 PM
SOON
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KaliFyre 17-Mar-17 06:29 PM
YES, SOON (edited)
I'm going to an expensive restaurant in town for my 21st. 😛
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:30 PM
o.o
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KaliFyre 17-Mar-17 06:30 PM
Mum's paying for it. 😄
She knows the owner and got a sweet deal. 😛 (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:30 PM
Huh
What kinda restaurant
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Vāstra II 17-Mar-17 06:32 PM
SOON™
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KaliFyre 17-Mar-17 06:32 PM
Just your average "a bit of everything" restaurant. 😛
They're the most expensive in Main Street, but that's not saying much. haha
I forgot we have a Country Club... with $80 steaks. 😐
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Yoshiman400 17-Mar-17 06:34 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 17-Mar-17 07:58 PM
TODO: convert the Safirian date calculator spreadsheet to use the new safir timekeeping units in that one forum post that I should find a pin.
Pinned a message.
If only the plugin that generates descriptive URLs worked on 2.0.13 :/
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Vāstra II 17-Mar-17 08:11 PM
http://jbr.me.uk/exo/15.html “effetely highbrow super‐aesthetes” sounds pretty safir :þ
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Vāstra II 30-Mar-17 04:41 PM
Magicicada spp. as biological alarms (and maybe other types of cicada too)
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Vāstra II 02-Apr-17 06:15 PM
contemplates telekinetic ᴊᴜᴅᴏ and ᴀɪᴋɪᴅᴏ
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Vāstra II 05-Apr-17 07:48 PM
wonders if a species of telepaths would give rise to an emergent, distributed consciousness — a cloud-mind, if you like.
I also wonder how the presence of this cloud-mind would affect safir society… or how their society would even be structured in the first place… feels like he's in way over his head
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Vāstra II 06-Apr-17 01:24 PM
Idea: Daia was in an ice age when the safir first landed there.
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Yoshiman400 06-Apr-17 09:29 PM
Landed? o.o
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Vāstra II 06-Apr-17 10:50 PM
Yes
They first came to Daia about a million years ago, remember.
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Yoshiman400 06-Apr-17 10:51 PM
I forgot. =P
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Vāstra II 07-Apr-17 02:54 AM
Two safir within sense distance of one another have a tendency to share dreams. Two safir that are touching will almost certainly share dreams. This is probably how the Dreamworld came to be.
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KaliFyre 07-Apr-17 04:22 AM
Oooh.
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Yoshiman400 07-Apr-17 07:28 PM
hmmm
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Vāstra II 07-Apr-17 09:00 PM
Hmm?
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Yoshiman400 07-Apr-17 09:05 PM
Interesting
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Vāstra II 07-Apr-17 09:15 PM
;3
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Yoshiman400 07-Apr-17 09:16 PM
Although I fear for the communal cloud wet dreams that may result
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Vāstra II 07-Apr-17 09:22 PM
Lol
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 02:42 AM
[11:26 PM] Hālian: Would long-term solitary confinement be a cruel and unusual punishment for a species of psychics? What abot short-term? Would those answers change if it was the only form of imprisonment used as a punishment for crimes? [11:38 PM] Hālian: contemplates other alternative punishments, and also considers euthanization of mentally diseased or defective safir who do not respond well to rehabilitation efforts [12:07 AM] Hālian: Unrelatedly, I wonder whether the safir all being telepathic would affect their technological development, and if so, how
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 03:24 AM
: I should make a sign language for the safir, because (1) four arms (2) telepathy doesn't totally cover being deaf (especially aboard a starcraft)
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KaliFyre 13-Apr-17 04:11 AM
Indeed.
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 01:33 PM
Other punishments could include: * Maiming * Exposure to horrible psychic imagery * Chemical stillminding * Overloading the psionic senses * Never-ending stimuli as a form of torture * Branding * Confiscation of property or status * Forced labor * Transportation * Fines * Exile
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KaliFyre 13-Apr-17 02:41 PM
Works for me.
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 02:42 PM
Any other thoughts?
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KaliFyre 13-Apr-17 02:43 PM
Not at the minute. Mind's a bit... cloudy.
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 02:43 PM
😦
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Yoshiman400 13-Apr-17 08:02 PM
Psychic imagery, as opposed to?
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 08:02 PM
?
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Yoshiman400 13-Apr-17 08:02 PM
"Exposure to horrible psychic imagery"
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 08:03 PM
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 13-Apr-17 08:05 PM
But psychic imagery as opposed to...?
And why the distinction?
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 08:07 PM
Regular imagery? Because it's thought to be more effective?
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Yoshiman400 13-Apr-17 08:07 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 09:59 PM
Āirumāli verbs agree with the speaker's gender, because lolpolysynthesis.
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Yoshiman400 13-Apr-17 10:20 PM
Context/Refresher: Kortana is a safir enlisted in the space military. [22:07:43] <@Digifanatic> <Arkanis> Kortana «Did you make it through the season okay?» [22:08:08] <Halian> <Kortana> «I did, as did pretty much everyone stationed aboard craft.» [22:09:12] <@Digifanatic> <Arkanis> Kortana «Good to hear~» [22:10:44] <Halian> <Kortana> twitters~ ~~~ [22:12:08] <Digifanatic> ... [22:12:25] <Digifanatic> Kortana says that like someone onboard HAS gotten knocked up XD [22:14:08] <Halian> There's always That Girl who keeps “losing” her pills [22:14:15] <Digifanatic> hehehe [22:14:26] <Halian> and it's kind of illegal to put sɪʟᴘʜɪᴜᴍ in her food [22:14:37] <Digifanatic> snrk [22:19:13] <Digifanatic> Buuuuuut yeah, unless the military (especially the Space Force) distributes contraceptive rations which must be used as directed, that's certainly...exploitative I guess? XP [22:19:24] <Halian> Heh [22:19:54] <Halian> Either that and/or, as I've opined on reddit, the shipboard climate being the same year-round causes environmental heat triggers to never happen
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 10:20 PM
Also, stack-based language. Not necessarily Āirumāli, but definitely one somewhere.
Yeah, I did some on-the-sly worldbuilding on reddit yesterday 😛
[10:08 PM] Jafiki91: You could use rather rare traits shown in natural languages (such as OSV word order), or just totally break various "universals" in general. [10:18 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: you can also do interesting things like Mongolian where there are cases/conjugations (can't remember exactly how it works) that denote direction rather than the way languages most people are familiar with typically use such tools(edited) [10:21 PM] Jafiki91: If you really wanna mess with grammar you could do things like mark TAM only on adjuncts. Or make all verbs adjectives. ⬆ some suggestions on how to make a language more alien without mucking with phonology
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Yoshiman400 13-Apr-17 10:22 PM
huh
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Vāstra II 13-Apr-17 10:24 PM
[10:22 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: It might also help to take a look at the culture you're trying to represent with the language [10:22 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: because language and culture go very much hand-in-hand [10:23 PM] oneven0788: Among natlangs, you have 'north and south' in one language, and 'inland and shoreward' in another forming basic directions. If the species is used to flight or even space flight- time travel, whatever- then you can get some interesting options. In works of fiction, from what I've seen a common option is to include formality distinctions. [10:23 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: Like with the Mongolian example, their language formed around the warrior culture that they had, so markers indicating direction made sense for condensing orders into quick and easily understandable commands on the battlefield [10:24 PM] Jafiki91: I'm not sure if it goes that far. But culture can definitely influence language to a degree. Such as with vocab.
[10:25 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: So piggy-backing on @Jafiki91 here, the vocab is definitely heavily influenced by culture [10:25 PM] Hālian: also notes that male safir are shorter than the average human, and femme safir taller [10:25 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: A race like that sounds like it might devote a lot of effort to describing various types of beauty [10:25 PM] kutsuwamushi: TBH, that idea about the Mongolian directions being due to a warrior culture...is the kind of story people like to make up about languages, because it makes intuitive sense and it confirms to our stories about what people are like ... but they are more often than not not true, and so I wouldn't believe it without strong evidence. [10:25 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: and have a lot of words that mean different things as it relates to beauty [10:25 PM] Hālian: Definitely nodnod [10:26 PM] Jafiki91: @oneven0788 That comment about ranking is interesting, because Rosenfelder had a conlang where verbs inflect for relative rank as well. [10:26 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: @kutsuwamushi fair enough, but it does make sense from a completely non-expert point of view x) [10:28 PM] kutsuwamushi: Yeah, that's the thing - people tell these stories because they strike them as common sense, but they're often not true. [10:28 PM] kutsuwamushi: And sometimes they are, sadly, used to prop up harmful stereotypes. So it is good to be skeptical and to look to the evidence. [10:29 PM] Jafiki91: Speaking of influences, for an alien language, you could choose to make a lang like in Arrival, where whorfianism is actually true, and the lang they speak does determine how they think. [10:29 PM] Hālian: Maybe, but I'm not sure how, or if, that would interact with them being telepathic
[10:31 PM] Jafiki91: Since they're telepathic, you could have them barely speak at all. Using only sparse words with most of the meaning being transmitted. [10:31 PM] Hālian: (indeed I sometimes find myself questioning why I'm developing such a complex language for them if telepathy is their main mode of communication, but the time to fix that is long gone) [10:31 PM] Hālian: @Jafiki91 Well, there are times when telepathy is completely infeasible (anything being recorded or broadcast, mainly) [10:31 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: Being telepathic certainly makes a spoken and/or written language for them a little more challenging.. because then you'd need to basically create a way that they would likely try to fit their inherently more complex typical communication into a typically far less colorful medium... or yeah like Jafiki said [10:31 PM] Hālian: Yeah [10:31 PM] Hālian: (also the whole notion of *birdsong, which I've yet to even begin to try starting to crack… but one problem at a time :P) [10:32 PM] Jafiki91: So then maybe they wouldn't have recorded language at all. [10:32 PM] DarthDelta: You could have the telepathy be rather rudimentary [10:32 PM] Hālian: I've already described it as rather complex, though [10:32 PM] DarthDelta: Shit
[10:32 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: Or perhaps their language is very verbose and descriptive because they want to communicate a lot of the things that their telepathy readily communicates [10:32 PM] Hālian: Indeed [10:32 PM] DarthDelta: Maybe [verbal] communication could mainly be speech acts?(edited) [10:33 PM] Hālian: @Alìm Tsamsiyu I think that's what I'ma go with 😃 [10:33 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: it would be frustrating for them to talk, preferring to telepathically communicate [10:33 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: but [10:33 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: they would then have that option at least, even if it did take much longer to share their thoughts [10:33 PM] Hālian: Or perhaps more dangerous [10:34 PM] Hālian: (for example, you're not going to open your mind to enemy forces) [10:34 PM] Hālian: (especially since the average safir can cause quite a bit of damage just by thinking) [10:34 PM] Alìm Tsamsiyu: you could also increase the "alien-ness" by adding somatic components to their language (hand motions and such adding meaning)
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KaliFyre 14-Apr-17 09:57 AM
[11:56 PM] NexxusDrako: wonders what psychoactive drugs the Safir have. [11:56 PM] Vāstra II: Good question
From op channel.
Also, I accidentally capitalised safir. Derp.
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Vāstra II 14-Apr-17 09:57 AM
There's a monastery somewhere in Syvreiš that produces a libation that, when drunk by safir, enables farsight
Other than that, I dunno
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KaliFyre 14-Apr-17 09:58 AM
There's gotta be a couple of plants which enable vivid recollections of memories and such.
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Vāstra II 14-Apr-17 09:58 AM
Indeed
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KaliFyre 14-Apr-17 09:59 AM
Also perhaps a few that alter he sense of spirit and maybe even one which disables psionics completely. (edited)
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Vāstra II 14-Apr-17 09:59 AM
nod
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KaliFyre 14-Apr-17 09:59 AM
I'm just snowballing here. 😛
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Vāstra II 14-Apr-17 09:59 AM
spitballing* 😛
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KaliFyre 14-Apr-17 10:08 AM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (edited)
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Vāstra II 14-Apr-17 10:08 AM
@Joe F 👋🏻
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Joe F 14-Apr-17 12:09 PM
👋
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 02:33 AM
wonders if he should continue resisting the urge to go full Minority Report.
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:13 AM
[5:55 AM] Carl Miller: toys with the idea of Proxima Centauri b being home to a Safirian penal colony 😛 [5:57 AM] Carl Miller: Or FOB of some sort [5:57 AM] Carl Miller: Or both, and/or an expedition outpost
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:22 PM
Dragons can sense over the horizon at the flight ceiling. (edited)
A dragon's territory is everything within sense distance of ver home.
As concerns a dragon's territory, ve is innately omniscient, omnipotent, and omnisentient. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 15-Apr-17 08:24 PM
Over the horizon? o.o
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:25 PM
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 15-Apr-17 08:25 PM
Oh my?
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:28 PM
At 1000', the horizon is about 38.57 statute miles away o.o
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KaliFyre 15-Apr-17 08:30 PM
I think this will work with Safiria, so long as dragon territories don't overlap with urbanization and such.
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Yoshiman400 15-Apr-17 08:30 PM
as in statute mile = 5280 feet?
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KaliFyre 15-Apr-17 08:31 PM
I'd honestly think that the safir would be able to coexist peacefully with nature, like... literally all elves ever. XD
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Yoshiman400 15-Apr-17 08:31 PM
hehe
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:32 PM
@Yoshiman400 Yes
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Yoshiman400 15-Apr-17 08:32 PM
ah
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:37 PM
Perhaps dragons don't sleep, only hibernate
Maybe safir are also evolving away the need to sleep (edited)
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KaliFyre 15-Apr-17 08:38 PM
Hmmm.
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 08:59 PM
Also, separate state and national soccer leagues, like Brazil
Or maybe no national league, just a domestic cup (edited)
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KaliFyre 15-Apr-17 09:05 PM
Colonial leagues and a national cup is the system Itavr uses. (edited)
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Vāstra II 15-Apr-17 09:15 PM
I'm talking about Syvreiš, not the whole empire ;)
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KaliFyre 16-Apr-17 07:12 AM
Oh. XD
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Yoshiman400 19-Apr-17 08:01 PM
...I just realized
Is the flag that bears this server icon the flag of the WHOLE empire now, or just the country/terriory/whatever of Syvreis?
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Vāstra II 19-Apr-17 08:02 PM
Probably going to be just the mainland
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Yoshiman400 19-Apr-17 08:03 PM
So just Syvreis?
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Vāstra II 19-Apr-17 08:04 PM
Yes
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Yoshiman400 19-Apr-17 08:06 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 20-Apr-17 12:26 AM
Arcologies
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Yoshiman400 20-Apr-17 12:26 AM
o.o?
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Vāstra II 20-Apr-17 12:54 AM
Arcology is the architectural discipline described in the page quote. An arcology is the result of said discipline, and is a thing with the following …
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Vāstra II 26-Apr-17 12:39 AM
After watching some NASA TV, I realized that the space navy's uniforms should have Velcro or something on them in case 0 G happens (edited)
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Vāstra II 29-Apr-17 10:32 AM
Perhaps Terra is a death world, and Humans are at turns bureaucrats and the hold-my-beer species.
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Yoshiman400 29-Apr-17 07:27 PM
Death world?
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Vāstra II 29-Apr-17 09:51 PM
A Death World is a highly dangerous place, where simply going there is considered taking your life into your own hands. It could be from hazardous environmental conditions, such as an acidic swamp or poisonous fog, or from powerful native predator...
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Yoshiman400 29-Apr-17 09:51 PM
Ah
hehe
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Vāstra II 02-May-17 12:44 AM
I have no idea how to retool the safir so that they can survive on their own homeworld without being crushed, barbecued, mindraped, or some combination thereof into extinction, nevermind the alien species across from whom they may sit at a negotiating table.
Help? (edited)
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KaliFyre 02-May-17 12:46 AM
I would if I knew how...
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Vāstra II 02-May-17 12:46 AM
Same.
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Vāstra II 02-May-17 08:13 AM
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Yoshiman400 02-May-17 07:26 PM
Uhhh, why would their survival need to be retooled?
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Vāstra II 02-May-17 09:03 PM
Because, as is, they're too peaceful to survive amidst dragons and psychic spiders
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Vāstra II 04-May-17 01:21 AM
Should passenger starcraft deorbit or dock at space elevators?
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Vāstra II 04-May-17 02:43 AM
I also wonder what first class on a starcraft is like
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Yoshiman400 04-May-17 10:37 PM
I figured they'd have full stations around the elevators?
Even if they were small
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Vāstra II 04-May-17 11:50 PM
I never said they didn't 😛
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Yoshiman400 05-May-17 12:04 AM
Ah
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Vāstra II 06-May-17 12:35 AM
Maybe they use tenders, like a cruise ship
(to which the Daia <-> Earth vessels would probably be more akin than an airplane)
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Yoshiman400 06-May-17 01:03 AM
*bobs his head* Perhaps
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KaliFyre 09-May-17 12:02 AM
Holy shit EVE titans are huge!
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Yoshiman400 09-May-17 12:03 AM
ID4 ship looks the biggest though
in length/diameter anyway
Also note the lack of Death Star =P
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Vāstra II 09-May-17 12:25 AM
I like me that Executor-class though
(not pictured: any ship of the Loroi Imperial Fleet, since the largest is only ~800 m)
😛
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Yoshiman400 09-May-17 12:26 AM
heh
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Vāstra II 15-May-17 02:03 AM
Dimension 9E2-66V-7HG5 (under SCP-507) seems like it could plausibly exist within the Safir Empire, though this is probably just because of its telepathic nature; ditto SCP-2018 and -148
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Vāstra II 21-May-17 10:40 PM
🤔
tries to think of a justification for pronunciations like /kɑnspɑirəsi/ for <conspiracy> and /mɑːrɪlɪθ/ for <marilith> in Safirian English 😛
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-17 01:55 AM
wonders how expensive driving a gas- or diesel-burning car would be in Safiria, or even if it should be legal :þ
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-17 02:07 AM
@KaliFyre got any thoughts/insights/etc? (edited)
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KaliFyre 05-Jun-17 02:12 AM
Electric only pls.
Actually do Hydrogen too. (edited)
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-17 02:17 AM
So much for the Grand Prix of Firneramnen, then 😛
(and #jdm)
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KaliFyre 05-Jun-17 02:18 AM
shit
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Vāstra II 06-Jun-17 12:47 AM
I need to figure out Daia's climate and shit, so I can know whether my fears of Aňira being battered by world-ocean super-hurricanes are founded or not
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KaliFyre 06-Jun-17 03:37 AM
Well... why aren't you? (edited)
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Vāstra II 06-Jun-17 03:41 AM
Because Ashrain has temperature problems and Stillstorm is in the middle of moving over 700 GB of stuff 😦
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Vāstra II 09-Jun-17 05:14 AM
Hmm
I wonder if access to menfolk would be sufficient to drive normally pacific safir queens to war
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KaliFyre 09-Jun-17 05:18 AM
What's the gender ratio between Male/Herm/Female again? (edited)
And can herms impregnate and/or be impregnated, and is self-impregnation also possible? (edited)
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Vāstra II 09-Jun-17 05:39 AM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 09-Jun-17 01:39 PM
6:5:25, yes, yes, and no, respectively
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Yoshiman400 09-Jun-17 06:07 PM
But unless he changed it, parthenogenesis is still possible XD
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Vāstra II 09-Jun-17 06:19 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yoshiman400 09-Jun-17 06:20 PM
So you have no idea yourself? =P
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KaliFyre 10-Jun-17 10:27 PM
[7:15 PM] Vāstra II: I wonder if access to menfolk would be sufficient to drive normally pacific safir queens to war < Assuming the current ratio and the facts behind herm impregnation, I would say yes, but only in extreme circumstances. (edited)
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Vāstra II 10-Jun-17 10:33 PM
nod
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-17 10:22 PM
I just realized that Safirian cars, being electric and floaty, would be a lot cheaper to maintain than Terran cars
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-17 10:44 PM
Floaty?
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-17 10:49 PM
Yeah
(it's a shop but it should get the point across)
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-17 10:50 PM
huh o.O
*nodnod*
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KaliFyre 16-Jun-17 07:46 AM
The Kessler syndrome (also called the Kessler effect, collisional cascading or ablation cascade), proposed by the NASA scientist Donald J. Kessler in 1978, is a scenario in which the density of objects in low earth orbit (LEO) is high enough that ...
How would the safir have dealt with such a event?
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Vāstra II 16-Jun-17 08:18 AM
Probably a requirement for orbital objects to move to a graveyard orbit at the end of their operational lives
Either that and/or the proposed laser broom
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Vāstra II 18-Jun-17 08:27 PM
Hmm, idea
Clustered around each country's embassy to Firneramnen is businesses representative of that country, as well as tourism offices and stuff; exception: the USA, which has a separate cluster for each state
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Yoshiman400 19-Jun-17 09:34 PM
o.o
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-17 09:50 PM
?
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Yoshiman400 19-Jun-17 10:08 PM
A building for each state
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Vāstra II 20-Jun-17 11:27 AM
I wonder if the existence of telekinetics with sufficient power and control to fly would retard the development of a theory of gravity among the safir scientific community
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KaliFyre 20-Jun-17 11:32 AM
Itavr gravity story gotcha thinkin, eh? (edited)
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Vāstra II 20-Jun-17 11:35 AM
Indeed
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Yoshiman400 21-Jun-17 10:02 PM
Hrm
Since safir are more likely to learn to send before they learn to speak, they're probably less restricted by the first words they learn to send and thus the same words may have wildly differing pronunciations in various "dialects" of Airumali communication
And thus the "mama" phenomenon of human speech (and its relative plosive words) may not exist in safir communication
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KaliFyre 21-Jun-17 11:01 PM
True.
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 01:52 AM
Wouldn't a baby safir's first thoughts, and thus its first transmission, still be of their mother?
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 02:24 AM
Indeed.
I'd add some thoughts, but I'm legit braindead rn
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 02:26 AM
😦
notes that safir telepathy involves the direct transmission of thoughts, feelings, and emotions, not words
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 04:23 AM
Safir would make OP auto racing tire changers, since they can hold onto the impact wrench while handling the tire.
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 09:14 AM
@Vāstra II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_computing < Is this safir tech?
DNA computing is a branch of computing which uses DNA, biochemistry, and molecular biology hardware, instead of the traditional silicon-based computer technologies. Research and development in this area concerns theory, experiments, and applicatio...
I can certanly see Itavr having it then splicng it into their own DNA, giving the appearance of cybernetics while remaining biological constructs. (edited)
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 09:15 AM
No idea
It does seem useful for extremely massively parallel calculations and… not much else, given the response time
So maybe scout ships or something
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 09:16 AM
The Itavr use it for a massive biological computer for crunching masses of numbers. Like a gigantic Folding@Home. 😛
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 09:17 AM
nod
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 09:18 AM
In 2010, it was estimated that storing a yottabyte on terabyte-size disk drives would require one billion city block-size data-centers, as big as the states of Delaware and Rhode Island combined.[1] By late 2016 memory density had increased to the point where a yottabyte could be stored on SD cards occupying roughly twice the size of the Hindenburg.
Itavr have hellabyte SD cards.... but they're fucking ancient tech.
Legit, it'd be like the Ancient Egyptians using the Internet to buy the Great Pyramids on Amazon. 😛 (edited)
1 YHB = 10^27bytes = 1000000000000000000000000000bytes = 1000000zettabytes = 1trillionpetabytes (edited)
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 09:20 AM
“Damn itavr poaching all our Soian ruin finds!” —Loroi Union Minister of Antiquities, A.D. 1311 (edited)
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 09:21 AM
XD
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 09:21 AM
1 YB = 1 048 576 EB (edited)
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 09:22 AM
TBF, we'd give the ruins straight back to them once we catalogue the findings. Data sold seperately though. 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 09:22 AM
1 EB = 1 048 576 TB
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KaliFyre 22-Jun-17 09:23 AM
Gues what!
Light switches are a transfer of information totalling 1 bit in size.
Most houses would have a couple of bytes of light data transfer using halogen globes then. 😛
Unless you're rich and have those smart wifi globes, especialy the Ghz pulsng ones that transfer legit data. 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 22-Jun-17 02:14 PM
https://www.polygon.com/2017/3/27/15074856/mass-effect-andromeda-asari-pronouns hmm… perhaps the safir could be the same way re: “mother” and “father”
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Yoshiman400 23-Jun-17 07:54 PM
:52 AM] Vāstra II: Wouldn't a baby safir's first thoughts, and thus its first transmission, still be of their mother? [2:24 AM] NexxusDrako: Indeed. [2:24 AM] NexxusDrako: I'd add some thoughts, but I'm legit braindead rn Perhaps depends on where it's born: .oO(OW! LIGHT! EYES! >.<)
😛
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Vāstra II 23-Jun-17 11:54 PM
Lol
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Yoshiman400 24-Jun-17 12:49 AM
See?
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Vāstra II 24-Jun-17 12:52 AM
See what?
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Yoshiman400 24-Jun-17 12:52 AM
"See?" = "Get it?"
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Vāstra II 24-Jun-17 12:54 AM
Ah
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Vāstra II 04-Jul-17 10:15 PM
Metroid Prime music that has been extended to play for at least 15.5 minutes. Developer(s): Retro Studios Publisher(s): Nintendo Purchase, pre-order, and/or ...
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Vāstra II 11-Jul-17 10:16 PM
Thanks to @KaliFyre's character Nahiri, I may or may not now hold as headcanon that safir make squeaking noises when agitated >w>
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Yoshiman400 11-Jul-17 10:17 PM
Nami: "So do I?" >w>
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Vāstra II 11-Jul-17 10:18 PM
Maybe, because fox? 😛
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Yoshiman400 11-Jul-17 10:19 PM
Nami: -w-
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Vāstra II 11-Jul-17 10:19 PM
but I'm referring to: [20:54] <Nex> <Nahiri> searches through handbag. [20:54] <Nex> <Nahiri> Oh no. No. No. Not again. [20:54] <Nex> <Nexxus> What's wrong? 01[20:55] <@Digifanatic> 5<7Brandon5> "Hm?" [20:56] <Nex> <Nahiri> I've left my phone sitting at home and I'm expecting a phone call from mother dearest. She's going to freak out if I don't answer. 01[20:56] <@Digifanatic> 5<7Brandon5> "We get safir come in here all the time, it should be a quick walk out and back for you." [20:56] <Nex> <Nahiri> agitated squeakinf
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Yoshiman400 11-Jul-17 10:19 PM
Ohhhhhhh
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KaliFyre 12-Jul-17 12:42 AM
XD
I remember that. XD
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Vāstra II 12-Jul-17 12:43 AM
:3
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KaliFyre 12-Jul-17 05:35 AM
TBF, that was going to be a Nahiri specific thing. XD
But hey, let's roll with it.
Syrinxes can do squeaking, right? 😛
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Vāstra II 12-Jul-17 09:53 AM
Yes
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Vāstra II 13-Jul-17 05:46 AM
: Hmm, I wonder what supernatural abilities could be ascribed to a quill pen made from an angel's feather
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KaliFyre 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
Autoscribe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (edited)
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Vāstra II 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
Could do
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KaliFyre 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
But with mindreading. 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
Perhaps a Kaena-angel-feather pen would refuse to write lies
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KaliFyre 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
YES
Good one!
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Vāstra II 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
😄
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KaliFyre 13-Jul-17 05:55 AM
Uh...
A [LOVE GODDESS]-angel-feathr could have aphrodesiac effect when read?
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Vāstra II 13-Jul-17 05:56 AM
Vāla, and perhaps
Aume*-angel-feather pens would want to write one's desires (*goddess of dreams) (edited)
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KaliFyre 13-Jul-17 05:57 AM
Yep (edited)
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Vāstra II 13-Jul-17 05:57 AM
Perhaps Āmāne-angel-feather pens would write only the truth about the writer
i.e. pass judgment on them
because lolqueenofthegods
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KaliFyre 13-Jul-17 05:58 AM
Indeed. 😛
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 05:30 AM
contemplates butterfly- and moth-winged angels
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Vāstra II 27-Jul-17 08:28 AM
Pato (polo but with a bigger ball and no hammers) but on dragons. (edited)
You'd have to be careful not to drop the ball, though. 😛
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Yoshiman400 27-Jul-17 11:46 PM
Oh god
So quidditch but on dragons and no snitch >w>
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Vāstra II 27-Jul-17 11:48 PM
Pft
I forgot pato used a basket instead of goalposts like polo
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-17 05:39 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6vheim_cube_of_emotion Hmm, I wonder what a safir's emotion polyhedron would be like
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Vāstra II 30-Jul-17 02:14 PM
wonders how pervasive precognitives are in police work, and what the knock-on effects are.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-17 12:40 PM
Related to an off-the-cuff joke about dreams in another server, I wonder whether safir are prone to having dreams within dreams, and whether that would change when group-dreaming
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-17 04:22 PM
Native sports. 🤔 (edited)
Given Daia's non-tectonic nature and as a result its blobby not-very-mountain-having nature, mountain climbing is probably off the table, but I bet downhill skiing and snowboarding would eventually evolve, or something parallel thereto.
Aňira is quite warm, so I imagine it would be a hub for aquatic sports.
The rest of Firneramnen, nevermind the Alliance… I'm not sure. @KaliFyre halp?
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KaliFyre 02-Aug-17 04:24 PM
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've got other things to worry about right now. (edited)
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-17 04:25 PM
😦
offers hugs?
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KaliFyre 02-Aug-17 04:25 PM
Plus I can't thnk of anything. 😦
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-17 04:25 PM
😦
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Yoshiman400 10-Aug-17 08:41 PM
>w>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMqZR3pqMjg Would the safir's "third" color be blue instead of red?
Vox
Why so many languages invented words for colors in the same order. Subscribe to our channel! http://goo.gl/0bsAjO In 1969, two Berkeley researchers, Paul Kay...
safirs'*
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Vāstra II 10-Aug-17 09:04 PM
safir's*
“safir”, like “fish”, is invariant
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Yoshiman400 10-Aug-17 09:04 PM
Eh true
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Vāstra II 10-Aug-17 09:06 PM
I've said before that they have separate words for light and dark blue, like Russian, but I'll have to watch that video regardless
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Yoshiman400 10-Aug-17 09:07 PM
True
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Vāstra II 10-Aug-17 10:05 PM
Hmm
I can't decide whether tekumel (neuter noun) should mean "petal" or "throne"
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Yoshiman400 10-Aug-17 10:07 PM
Sounds more like a word for throne to me
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Vāstra II 17-Aug-17 02:08 AM
I like "Eldest Sister and Foremost Mother" as one of the Queen of Firneramnen's titles
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Vāstra II 19-Aug-17 11:34 PM
I'd like to write a game set in Safiria, but I don't know a damn thing about game design <w<
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Vāstra II 09-Sep-17 11:51 PM
[22:42:10] <Kyth> For some reason "Starshine" feels like a good name for a script engine [23:51:02] <Halian> Ooo [23:51:07] <Halian> It also sounds like a good safir name
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Vāstra II 19-Sep-17 01:17 PM
The safir call quantum mechanics “harmonic mechanics”.
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-17 10:11 PM
Hmm… I kinda want to put a subforum on the Safir Alliance forum for each of Firneramnen's 25 states, but that seems like overkill. Any suggestions as to what I should do instead?
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KaliFyre 16-Oct-17 11:40 PM
As I said over on chat.mcs.int, regional forums. 😃
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-17 11:40 PM
👌🏻
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Vāstra II 04-Nov-17 02:23 AM
contemplates the provinces/states/queendoms/whatever of Vestrlōria (southern, tropical Firneramnen) being a loose confederation in times gone by
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Yoshiman400 04-Nov-17 05:32 PM
Loose confederation? owO
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Vāstra II 04-Nov-17 07:57 PM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 08-Nov-17 12:39 AM
wonders what sports nagas would be good at.
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Yoshiman400 08-Nov-17 08:45 PM
Probably wrestling
Maybe swimming?
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Vāstra II 08-Nov-17 08:48 PM
*nodnod*
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Vāstra II 13-Nov-17 10:51 PM
https://giant.gfycat.com/FittingDishonestInganue.webm looks like it could be a loading animation for some safir computer program or another thinking_safir (edited)
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:14 PM
So I brainstormed some stuff about how safir handle math and chemistry, lemme go grab the log and dump it into a pastebin
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Yoshiman400 22-Nov-17 10:36 PM
Heh, interesting stuff
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:36 PM
I see
I'm still not sure what order of operations they would use, though, or if they even need one, since they use reverse Polish notation
will have to do more research into that
@Deleted User @Blade Skydancer what do y'all think of the brainstorming I posted just now?
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Blade Skydancer 22-Nov-17 10:38 PM
Haven't read it, probably won't.
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Yoshiman400 22-Nov-17 10:38 PM
wonders what use would be of an inverted order of operations
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:38 PM
@Blade Skydancer why not? frown_safir (edited)
@Yoshiman400 There's no specific use for it, it just seems like something that other sapients would do differently
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Blade Skydancer 22-Nov-17 10:39 PM
Topic doesn't interest me.
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Yoshiman400 22-Nov-17 10:39 PM
Perhaps so
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:39 PM
:<
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:55 PM
There was a spiral periodic table I saw once a while ago that I thought looked really nice and might fit the safir aesthetic, but is probably impractical by dint of its shape, lemme go find that
I'd like to update it to include elements up to oganesson if I can ever git gud at SVGs (edited)
@Blade Skydancer What does interest you?
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Blade Skydancer 22-Nov-17 10:58 PM
A few things, though I might be more interested if someone just came up with a random floozy for my character to interact with. :P
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:58 PM
Which things? :o
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Vāstra II 27-Nov-17 12:25 AM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-17 04:26 AM
Ninh explains the Rules of Netball, the most popular female only sport played worldwide. A beginner's explanation of Olympic Netball Rules. Watch this short...
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Vāstra II 17-Dec-17 09:58 PM
Unfortunately the account that originally posted this is locked 😦
• All References Male Clothing Female Clothing • Genres High Fashion Steam Punk Goth Street Fantasy • Modern Vintage Historical • Shirts Blouses Vests Jackets Coats Cloaks Hoods Corsets •...
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Vāstra II 19-Dec-17 04:56 AM
A romance, licit or otherwise, between a low-caste and high-caste safir in *medieval or *Renaissance times. The former is most enamored not by the divine shape of the latter's figure or the impossible opulence in which she couches herself, but the scent of her hair, because of the way long hair was washed back then
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Vāstra II 20-Dec-17 02:58 PM
Korfball. thinking_safir (edited)
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Vāstra II 31-Dec-17 02:07 AM
I wonder if safir, being mostly left-handed, would tweak the baseball rulebook so that the bases are run clockwise
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Yoshiman400 31-Dec-17 06:21 PM
What's the split of left/right/switch hitters in MLB?
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Vāstra II 31-Dec-17 06:23 PM
Good question
consults Baseball-Reference!
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Vāstra II 31-Dec-17 07:10 PM
The NL (as of the last day of the 2017 season) is 65.9% righties, 27.9% lefties, and 6.2% switch hitters; this is incredibly skewed towards lefties, as between 88-92% of the world population is right-handed
imagines that the Safir Alliance will relatively recently have experienced a surge in sales of right-handed objects (edited)
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Vāstra II 02-Jan-18 10:05 PM
In the Indian state of Meghalaya, in the northeastern part of the country, there is a remarkable practice of training fig trees to grow into bridges. The caretakers slowly but surely manipulate the tree roots as they grow, pushing them along and weaving them into walkways and river crossings. The process can take up to 15 years, but once complete, the bridges are usable for between 500 and 600 years. As the trees grow, the bridges become sturdier thanks to the strengthening and thickening of the roots. The bridges also have to particularly useful attribute of being self-renewing, especially given they don’t require the same sort of upkeep as man-made structures. Plus, they just look cool.
Probably stealing this >w<
It might take less than 15 years for the safir, because telekinesis?
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Vāstra II 02-Feb-18 07:29 PM
TODO: Have the safir explore the Atos system (where Micras is) and package it as recently declassified.
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Vāstra II 21-Feb-18 07:49 PM
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Yoshiman400 21-Feb-18 07:51 PM
Yeah probably
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Vāstra II 21-Feb-18 07:56 PM
(indeed topless or skimpy top + long skirt or sarong wouldn't be an uncommon outfit among Vestrlōrian [southern Firneramnese] safir, because of the climate; such traditional outfits are common among women in the Pacific islands, IIRC)
(similarly, outfits like the Vietnamese áo dài are popular too, I would imagine, though with a skirt or, more commonly, bare legs instead of pants) (edited)
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Vāstra II 21-Feb-18 11:56 PM
Idea: Purely syringeal communication is full duplex, with each participant using a frequency band exclusive from the others', and all speaking simultaneously, or as close thereto as possible. (Some degree of prescience may be required?)
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Yoshiman400 21-Feb-18 11:57 PM
Simultaneously would probably get messy? XD
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Vāstra II 21-Feb-18 11:57 PM
Another idea: A language with no pulmonic consonants, only vowels, tones, and maybe non-pulmonic consonants like clicks and ejectives.
Depends on how large the conversation is
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Yoshiman400 21-Feb-18 11:58 PM
heh
Well I know you have that one unnamed safir (not Savannah) that pretty much spoke entirely like that
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Vāstra II 21-Feb-18 11:59 PM
I thought it was Savannah?
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Yoshiman400 21-Feb-18 11:59 PM
Perhaps, but I thought there was someone else from like a cave region or something...
No idea what terms to search for in the logs though
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Vāstra II 22-Feb-18 12:00 AM
Oh yes, Quedzaxe (though she could communicate telepathically with her necklace, for reasons unexplored)
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Yoshiman400 22-Feb-18 12:01 AM
Oh yeah, that one...but I was thinking there was someone else who never gave a (human) name period
And never offered one from the others either
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Vāstra II 22-Feb-18 12:01 AM
I don't recall, but my logs suck
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KaliFyre 22-Feb-18 03:53 AM
Good IRC logging programs?
Good IRC programs?
I need to install Hexchat again...
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Vāstra II 22-Feb-18 08:22 AM
Yep
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KippLeKipp 06-Mar-18 09:48 PM
An entire set of blue people emojis
whoops wrong channel
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Vāstra II 06-Mar-18 09:55 PM
grin_safir
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Vāstra II 07-Mar-18 11:40 PM
Don't panic: 'supremacy' is the point at which quantum kit trumps classical computers
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KaliFyre 08-Mar-18 03:21 AM
The sooner quantum computing happens, the sooner cryptocurrency dies. XD (edited)
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Vāstra II 08-Mar-18 03:40 AM
Hopefully
That said cryptocurrency sounds like something the safir might have
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Yoshiman400 09-Mar-18 08:11 PM
Now this one is a literal shower thought
Assuming typing markers are compatible, would someone of partial safir genetics (maternal or paternal) be able to accept ferrous blood if their own is cuprous or vice versa? Or would the biochemistry be too complex and effed up?
I know safir blood typing has never really been brought up in here
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:16 PM
I have no idea how blood transfusions would work when a hybrid is involved
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Yoshiman400 09-Mar-18 08:19 PM
Yeah
All I can surmise is the child has the same metallic "base" as their mother due to maternal functioning
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:20 PM
@Eden Thee Cactus @Shyriath Might y'all have any idea? 😛
@Yoshiman400 Yeah
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Yoshiman400 09-Mar-18 08:20 PM
Which is why Sapphira is cuprous-blooded despite having whitish skin
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Eden Thee Cactus 09-Mar-18 08:20 PM
I dont have a clue
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:21 PM
Ah
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Shyriath 09-Mar-18 08:24 PM
I'm more of a geography/geology/climate guy than a biology guy, alas. Yoshiman's idea about it being the same as for the mother is probably the least problematic answer, though.
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Yoshiman400 09-Mar-18 08:25 PM
Certainly if reproduction is placental, in any case
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:25 PM
Which it is in safir
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Yoshiman400 09-Mar-18 08:25 PM
Now once you get into stuff like insecttaurs and whatnot that Halian loves so much, whotf knows XD
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:25 PM
Lol
I used to play, in PMs many years ago, a number of insect-taur characters that had humanlike skin tones but blue blood, on account of being half bug, so who knows
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:43 PM
@Shyriath Speaking of geography and climate, did you get a look at the climate map of Daia?
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Shyriath 09-Mar-18 08:45 PM
I did, yes.
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Vāstra II 09-Mar-18 08:45 PM
OK
I need to go through and set up Wikipedia-style climate tables for major cities (keeping in mind that the safir resting body temperature is 30 °C)
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Vāstra II 30-Mar-18 01:34 AM
Safir totally run the bases clockwise when playing baseball, since most of them are left-handed. Don't @ me. stick_out_tongue_safir (edited)
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KaliFyre 30-Mar-18 02:34 AM
That makes perfect sense.
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Vāstra II 30-Mar-18 02:49 AM
*nodnod*
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KaliFyre 30-Mar-18 03:50 AM
I wasnt beinf sarcastic btw (edited)
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Vāstra II 30-Mar-18 04:28 AM
I know
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KaliFyre 30-Mar-18 04:58 AM
I misjudged
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Vāstra II 30-Mar-18 05:00 AM
Ah
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Vāstra II 05-Apr-18 04:24 AM
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Yoshiman400 14-Apr-18 11:23 PM
So the consonant set is simplified now?
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Vāstra II 14-Apr-18 11:25 PM
No, I just haven't done the voiced ones yet
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Yoshiman400 14-Apr-18 11:26 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 26-Apr-18 01:46 AM
is watching the Polybius episode of AVGN, and headcanons that psychics like safir would stay well away from the machine even when off and/or unplugged (edited)
also I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Polybius is a SCP
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Yoshiman400 27-Apr-18 08:42 PM
XD
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Vāstra II 05-May-18 09:43 AM
wonders what an Āirumāli keyboard looks like
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Yoshiman400 05-May-18 09:04 PM
Oh god who knows
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Vāstra II 05-May-18 11:13 PM
Indeed
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:18 PM
wonders what sort of uniform a dragon soldier would wear
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:19 PM
Depends on which form they would assume normally?
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:19 PM
…Their only form.
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:20 PM
We're talking about dragons, I was assuming full humanoid, full dragon, and something in between ;^_^
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:20 PM
Well, assuming they're not egoists. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:20 PM
or full safiroid or whatever you'd call it =P
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:20 PM
Dragon soldier would be the person riding the dragon, silly. 😛
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:20 PM
Ohhhhhhhhh
I thought you meant dragons that enlisted on their own will XD
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:21 PM
They can. XD
I think anyweay.
XD
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:21 PM
So yeah that's what I thought Hal was referring to
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:21 PM
No
A dragon who is a soldier
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:22 PM
Okay, now I'm confused.
Can't Daian dragons shapeshift between safiroid and dragonoid?
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:22 PM
The Firneramnese Army and Air Force each have a number of them, and I've said before (though elsewhere) that they're commissioned officers in their own right
Not generally (edited)
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:22 PM
Okay, so we retconned that?
Good to know.
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:22 PM
Not necessarily
Kžvarla is (continuing to use D&D 3.5 psionics for the Alliance) a Psion (Egoist) of manifester level nine, which means he can manifest greater metamorphosis, but not all dragons are egoists
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:23 PM
Okay
Makes sense
needs to work on GWA 5e homebrew
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:24 PM
needs to work on SA 5e homebrew
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:24 PM
Indeed
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:25 PM
@Yoshiman400 thoughts?
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:27 PM
I suppose shapeshifting can suffice for the egoist subset
Although would most dragons still have an alternate dragon form aside from safiroid forms?
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:32 PM
I suppose you could say that most draconic egoists would have an alternate dragon form
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:32 PM
Aight~
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Vāstra II 12-Jun-18 04:51 PM
contemplates honorifics/registers/etc
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Shyriath 12-Jun-18 05:17 PM
quietly advocates for a register specific to cheeses.
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Vāstra II 12-Jun-18 05:55 PM
Lol
also wave_safir
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Shyriath 12-Jun-18 06:22 PM
Allo.
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Vāstra II 14-Jun-18 12:44 PM
Expansion of a number of safir civilizations was driven by the increasing range of telepathic Messengers.
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Vāstra II 28-Jun-18 08:34 PM
pretty... worldbuilding.stackexchange.co… More drider:Cute driderDrider commission COMMISSION INFO
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Vāstra II 19-Jul-18 04:07 AM
Nocturnalism is much more accepted in safir society. Maybe there's some connection between the moons (or moonlight) and psionic powers or the gods or something.
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 03:46 AM
The placename Resolute appears twice in Firneramnen: for a ward of Aňira, where there used to be an independent town on an island surrounded by rapids, and a village in the northern frontier state of Vanāria
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 04:44 AM
Names of a series of spy movies: Around the Corner Burn After Reading Clean Sheet Dead Drop Eyes Only Flaps and Seals
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Jeylien 28-Jul-18 01:48 PM
(Sorry, I confess I got to “Eyes Only” and instantly thought of... https://youtu.be/h7t52KkmOMA )
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 03:17 PM
Lol
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 08:35 AM
Yeah I’d asked about safir biology/etc so you’d already confirmed for me that the males are smaller and more psionic than herms or females, which is why I imagined it with Arkanis. And regarding his sexuality- with much fewer males there’d be biological and social imperative to not waste them by pairing with other males (plus I can intuit that you’re all heteronormative dudes yourselves, so playing gay wouldn’t be your thing lol), making it seem unlikely for safir males to be homosexual—even more than humans, that is. I’d wager that about the same percentage of safir are LGBTQ-ish, and the seemingly polyamorous tendencies of safir culture help in making such more acceptable, but I also sadly feel like males wouldn’t get that benefit so much cuz the outrageous sexual skew 😕 (can herms actually father children? This would help take some reproductive pressure off the males, but I’m guessing that’s not really how it works and so honestly the males would be expected to do their biological role, and while this reproductive pressure would have lessened and things gotten more lenient in modern times with synths and advanced biomedical tech, culture unfortunately probably still maintains a lot of that primitive biology-based specifically-male-homophobic underpinning..)
I also wonder though, how much psionics has to do with it... Like, maybe the males are mostly demisexual and not really proactively sexually driven / subconsciously pick up on psionic sexual signals (similar to pheromones in animals). This would make super loads of sense both for population control, avoiding rape / why the safir are particularly harsh about it, etc. So with so few males, they probably wouldn’t be around enough others to even get the necessary psionic signaling to spark libido, and again, there’s probably some sociocultural aversion to it too, further discouraging. Which is sad news for fujoshi me lol 😢 but actually only makes things more interesting cuz here we have an opportunity to explore this stuff and potentially challenge it a little in various ways— like, safir sexuality is inevitably at least somewhat linked to psionics... but now with a couple of psionic humans who are sex-addict/horny-all-the-time mansluts, I wonder how that’ll mess things up.. 😈/🤔/😂
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KaliFyre 31-Jul-18 08:59 AM
Maybe this is better suited for #nsfw-ideas?
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 09:04 AM
Ah, I didn’t realize that was even a thing, sorry. Personally, talking about sexuality isn’t nsfw to me unless you get into sordid details of genital anatomy or intercourse mechanics or basically more graphic stuff like that — the psychology/sociology & biology of it is standard conversational fare for me. 😛 But I come from a medical family and most my friends are speccers /I intentionally hangout with science-minded nerds, many of whom are LGBTQ themselves, and who also openly discuss such matters for the sake of biology... so I’m possibly too forthright about this kind of stuff idk lol (edited)
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 09:36 AM
Reminds me of the chakat setting a little. Not to bring up foxes again (;p) but the foxtaurs from there have a lot male to female ratio which has definite impacts on their culture.
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Vāstra II 31-Jul-18 10:02 AM
Bi-/homosexuality is more common among femme safir than humans. The third sex of safir have both male and female genitalia, and as such can sire children as well as bear them. Your idea about male sexuality being psionically triggered is interesting, but I'm not sure which sex starts that dance. (edited)
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 10:21 AM
Well let me know if that ends up having innovations for sometime newly psychic.
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 11:04 AM
It makes complete sense for bi-/homosexuality to be more common among femme safir than humans. But we’re talking about the males here, lol.
I know I’m probably the only androphilic person here, and I hate to be that obnoxiously obvious about it, but... I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE MEN 😝
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Vāstra II 31-Jul-18 11:09 AM
Heh
It's also more common in femme safir than males; I don't know why I said humans earlier
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 11:14 AM
Don't worry, I'm happy to talk about men also. ;P
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 12:42 PM
(Aellor- Yay! Thanks! 😉 lol) Seriously though— thoughts on male homosexuality in safir society? Does it legitimately not exist, and/or is it culturally shunned, and then how does this impact safir attitudes to humans and other species that may have greater prevalence of those orientations and behaviors?
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 12:57 PM
Well that I have more trouble speaking on. I don't know enough about the safir. I can only speak as to how the voxians work.
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 01:06 PM
Ooh, feel free to share what you’ve built for the Voxians!! (Though, maybe put it in #rp-2 or someplace for now? That’s seemingly not gunna get used for side-rp right now so maybe it can function as rp-specific but not SA-specific stuff... like ooc-chat overflow lol)
I’m definitely interested, I just worry about taking over these channels with irrelevant stuff unnecessarily 😅
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 01:07 PM
Rp 2 is an IC channel.
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 01:09 PM
It’s an extra channel is what it is lol
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 01:09 PM
So we should keep ooc chatting to a minimum there. Just in terms of hashing out who starts the scene. :P
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 01:12 PM
It’s up to you. I just don’t wanna junk-up Safir Alliance channels with non-SafirAlliance worldbuilding /offtopic irrelevant stuff too much, dunno best place to put it where it won’t get lost. Anyways, now I’m chattering here and cluttering this place up, so I stahp.
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 01:14 PM
Suggestion to @Vāstra II , Jei and I seem to be talkative. If you make a channel for it, we can totally move chatter over there.
And yes, that counts as an idea so it's totally on topic. ;P
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 01:27 PM
(I guess we could always just pm too though.. 🤔)
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 01:31 PM
(I'm quite new to dischord overall. Haven't figured out pm yet.)
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Shyriath 31-Jul-18 01:53 PM
Sort of depends whether you're on PC or mobile. If mobile, swipe from the right to bring up a list of names. Tap the one you want to PM, tap again on the name or avatar in the little dialogue that comes up, and you'll get a
...bluh. You'll get an interface that lets you add the person as a friend, or - using a little button in the corner - PM them.
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 01:58 PM
You can swipe from the right?!?
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Vāstra II 31-Jul-18 01:58 PM
Male safir homo- and bisexuality exists, is not all that rare, and is traditionally shunned. Not sure how it impacts safir attitudes towards gay men.
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 02:00 PM
Wait, that does the same thing as long pressing someone's name. It just says channels you're on and lets me mute you.
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Vāstra II 31-Jul-18 02:02 PM
You gotta pull the menu all the way up
Totally fucking intuitive, right? >.>
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Aellor 31-Jul-18 02:03 PM
Wait what.
Okay. Figured it out. Though Jei is now afk?
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Yoshiman400 31-Jul-18 11:51 PM
Wait, it's shunned? XD I think I've stated before that Arkanis had a few wild moments in college wherein...he wasn't the only one with male parts, for lack of a better phrase 😛
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I kinda assumed that the liberal stance on polyamory on the like really held no boundaries on biological division (edited)
especially given the gigantic lifespans
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Jeylien 31-Jul-18 11:57 PM
It’s possible the male parts were on the same person as female parts too — with hermaphroditism being more common than purely male, that seems statistically more likely anyways, and would probably sidestep any cultural shame/taboo. (Or you could always say Arkanis himself doesn’t care much about such social taboos and/or specific genitals under the right circumstances and just does who/what feels right at the time 😜)
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Yoshiman400 31-Jul-18 11:57 PM
Heh
I think we've stated that hermaphroditism comes from a mutation with one of the ova
on IRC anyway
And so a herm's man ball and lady ball are both internal 😛
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 12:49 AM
Mm. Well then. Arkanis is social-condemnation-eschewing open-sexual-experimentalist confirmed 😝
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 03:50 AM
@Yoshiman400 Only historically
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Yoshiman400 01-Aug-18 07:17 PM
>XD
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 07:50 PM
? 😦 (edited)
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Yoshiman400 01-Aug-18 07:59 PM
Jei's line
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 08:07 PM
Ah (edited)
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Vāstra II 04-Aug-18 10:01 PM
Safir cities would probably be eerily quiet to us, because safir are naturally telepathic, though there'd probably be a lot of inexplicable birdsong, since they have syrinxes as their vocal organ. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 04-Aug-18 10:01 PM
Hehe
Especially eerily quiet given how many people are living in there
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Vāstra II 04-Aug-18 10:03 PM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 07-Aug-18 05:00 AM
Private car ownership is quite rare.
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Vāstra II 07-Aug-18 05:09 AM
Fusion aircraft.
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Jeylien 07-Aug-18 12:59 PM
(Same in xznvrs regarding the cars)
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Jeylien 07-Aug-18 01:11 PM
(Also idk about SA, but in xznvrs the cars are autonomous so nobody knows how to drive anymore— there aren’t even setups to allow driving, it’s become illegal since A.I. is significantly safer and have faster reaction-times than distraction/error-prone organics. ~~some cars move too fast for human control now anyways; of my mains the only one who can keep up with traffic and has necessary processing/reaction-speed is Aythen, cuz he’s chemically enhanced in that way.)
Another thing we take for granted that isn’t as commonplace in xznvrs is literacy— they still have schools and all, but they also have direct mind-to-mind communications technology thanks to brain-computer interfacing. So over time, the need to do things like handwrite, speak, read— it hasn’t disappeared, but more people can get by without it if necessary. I think there’s once again more of a gap in education between classes, compared to our modern society, enabled by technology. (It’s like how textspeak and plenty comments on YouTube and stuff were infamous for abbreviating things, not using proper grammar, had poor spelling, etc— if you can send more of your direct thought/feeling along with a message like that, it wouldn’t matter that the message itself is so garbled.) I mention this b/c it’s probably even more relevant for a truly psychic species like the Safir, who theoretically might never have developed real verbal speech at all since it was unnecessary to them. Obviously that’s not what you’re going for, but it’s something I think you should at least think about.
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Vāstra II 07-Aug-18 04:15 PM
In Firneramnen, speed limits and turning radii of publick roads are kept such that biological drivers (read: safir) can still respond in time to not get in a crash. That said, private automobiles, outside of cargo trucks, are quite rare, most safir opting for publick transportation, which is, in the case of road PT, mostly driverless. There is at least one political faction that makes increasing speed limits for the benefit of driverless publick transport part of its campaign platform on a regular basis. (Note that safir have heightened reflexes compared to humans.) The written and spoken word is still widely used in the Safir Alliance, owing to the distance limitations of telepathy. There are embryonic machine-telepathic networks being developed in various university laboratories however, attempting to repave in (computing substrate of choice) the inroads beat by the Messenger network of auld. That said, a lot of informal writing — and some formal writing! — composed by computer, even in Modern Āirumāli, uses simplified spellings of words, and similarly a lot of informal speech uses similarly simplified pronunciation, leading some linguists to inaugurate a new descendant language, Neo-Āirumāli. (edited)
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Jeylien 07-Aug-18 04:22 PM
Lol it seems like the safir have heightened EVERYTHING compared to humans. Which i guess is normal in fantasy species but thoroughly pisses me off b/c I’m really picky about avoiding imbalanced /over-advantaged stuff. Reality isn’t like that. But I know not everybody cares to actually make things realistic. One of the main reasons I avoid fantasy and softSF, its all so OP...
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Vāstra II 07-Aug-18 04:24 PM
I'm sorry frown_safir
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Vāstra II 07-Aug-18 04:34 PM
That said, on the subject of the written word, I wish I could figure out a script for the safir birdsong language… or the language itself…
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Jeylien 07-Aug-18 07:16 PM
No need to apologize. You need to stop apologizing to jerks like me. It’s our problem if we’re nerdrage losers who didn’t like stuff. It’s not like you force anything on anyone, so if somebody doesn’t like something, it’s no fault of yours, it’s all on them and they can leave.
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Yoshiman400 07-Aug-18 07:43 PM
>XD I like the way you think Jei. thumbs_up_safir *also pats a @Vāstra II* (edited)
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Yoshiman400 14-Aug-18 11:27 PM
Offering this in general ideas channel since it has plenty of SFW applications: Touch telepathy isn't so much an "instant" thing unless the safir in question are locked into each others' brainwaves? (edited)
i.e. no incidental activity by mere touch
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Vāstra II 14-Aug-18 11:31 PM
I'm not sure
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Yoshiman400 14-Aug-18 11:32 PM
It just seems peculiar to me that two complete strangers could telepathically connect that efficiently in a situation like if one were to trip and the other broke their fall
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Vāstra II 14-Aug-18 11:33 PM
True
Presumably then however the fall would be broken telekinetically or in some other fashion?
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Yoshiman400 14-Aug-18 11:35 PM
Perhaps, but even if you had something like two kids, or a kid and their parent or teacher
I guess what it is I'm having trouble thinking of gestures of mild/non-romantic affection while completely disregarding physical contact
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Vāstra II 14-Aug-18 11:37 PM
Yeah
Telepathic gestures, perhaps
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Yoshiman400 14-Aug-18 11:38 PM
Maybe
Also I'm not even sure how quickly safir develop telekinesis and learn to develop larger "force"
Which is why I cited the example of two children
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Vāstra II 14-Aug-18 11:40 PM
True
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Yoshiman400 14-Aug-18 11:40 PM
What if Sapphira stumbles around and Vrai can't telekinetically hold her up? 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 05:53 AM
In the old days it wasn't common, and in some quarters it's still not a given, for safir to know how to speak.
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:38 PM
Yep
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:38 PM
I would presume those are mostly rural quarters
Due to non-telepathic forms of communication
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:42 PM
Maybe
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Vāstra II 21-Aug-18 03:30 PM
/me contemplates liquid e-democracy
Delegative democracy, also known as liquid democracy, is a form of democracy whereby an electorate has the option of vesting voting power in delegates rather than voting directly themselves. The term is a generic description of either already-existing or proposed popular-cont...
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Vāstra II 25-Aug-18 04:17 AM
Heavily processed human foods will make most safir sick, as safir process their foods as minimally as feasible.
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Vāstra II 31-Aug-18 04:40 AM
Rumah gadang (Minangkabau: "big house") or rumah bagonjong (Minangkabau: "spired roof house") are the traditional homes (Indonesian: "rumah adat") of the Minangkabau. The architecture, construction, internal and external decoration, and the functions of the house reflect the ...
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KaliFyre 31-Aug-18 05:07 AM
Nice looking architecture
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Vāstra II 31-Aug-18 05:14 AM
Yeah 💙
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Vāstra II 10-Sep-18 08:26 AM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 12-Sep-18 02:02 PM
This 'hobbit' house can be built in just 3 days. Follow Adam Danyal for more videos.
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Vāstra II 23-Sep-18 11:57 PM
[23:29:53] Halian contemplates safir computers and, more specifically, their input surfaces. [23:31:47] <Halian> I should like to imagine that like us they started with text-only computing, so the most important input surface would be a keyboard or something, so I wonder what a keyboard designed by/for four-handers would be like, or if they came up with something else entirely (and no ideas on the latter end yet). [23:33:03] <@Kyth> I bet they have even more software that's designed to be operated with a hand on the mouse and at least one on the keyboard. [23:33:14] <Halian> Oh, I'm sure [23:33:33] <Halian> Maybe they don't even have mice, such as if they figured out the touchscreen first [23:33:53] <Halian> and/or the drawing tablet
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@here What do y'all think? Especially, do y'all have any ideas?
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Yoshiman400 23-Sep-18 11:58 PM
I don't expect their keyboards to be incredibly complex
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KaliFyre 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
I was thinking more top hands keyboard bottom hands mouse
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Vāstra II 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
They could be, though; since they have an extra set of hands, that would allow for the input of many more characters without having to hit modifier keys
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Yoshiman400 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
I kinda expect something like a Japanese or Chinese style input where a cluster of keystrokes equals a full character (complete with proper vowel marks)
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Vāstra II 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
Chording keyboards could also work
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KaliFyre 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
Or top hands touch screen bottom hands keyboard
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Yoshiman400 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
Chording?
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Vāstra II 23-Sep-18 11:59 PM
@KaliFyre Part of me thinks top hands mouse/touch screen/tablet/whatever bottom hands keyboard, if they even have keyboards anymore
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 12:00 AM
I also wonder if alpha wave peripherals would be common, given their telepathic strengths
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KaliFyre 24-Sep-18 12:00 AM
Indeed
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Vāstra II 24-Sep-18 12:00 AM
@Yoshiman400 like you just described, where you hit a bunch of keys at once
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 12:00 AM
Ohhhhhh
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Vāstra II 24-Sep-18 12:00 AM
IIRC I've openly thought about the possibility of psionic input
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 12:00 AM
Yeah, my first thought was doing something like a Japanese or Chinese-style input system
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KaliFyre 24-Sep-18 12:01 AM
Id talk more but exhausted from gym so napping (edited)
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 12:01 AM
except it'd be something like Shift+number = vocal/vowel markings
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Vāstra II 24-Sep-18 12:16 AM
In user interface design, a pie menu (also known as a radial menu) is a circular context menu where selection depends on direction. It is a graphical control element. A pie menu is made of several "pie slices" around an inactive center and works best with stylus input, and we...
also contemplates gesture-based, tangible, and zooming user interfaces
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 12:30 AM
huh
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Vāstra II 24-Sep-18 12:47 AM
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BrightBlaze 29-Sep-18 03:31 AM
test
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Vāstra II 29-Sep-18 10:25 AM
@BrightBlaze Hey
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 08:07 AM
Generally speaking, safir don't keep pets.
Generally speaking, if they did, they wouldn't name them, so short-lived are they compared to safir.
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Shyriath 04-Oct-18 10:40 AM
It pleases me to see another species doing this (though the takmar and xtauh don't keep pets for reasons that are probably quite different).
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 01:50 PM
Oh?
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Shyriath 04-Oct-18 03:41 PM
They have an empathic ability - they can sense, and to an extent affect, emotional state. They evolved it as a hunting tool, and they have the ability to suppress their own detectable empathic output, so that they don't inadvertently hunt each other.
So if there's an animal around that's below a certain level of emotional complexity and not suppressing its own empathic output, they tend to have a harder time identifying with it, because somewhere deep inside their heads is something tagging it as potential prey. (edited)
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 09:52 PM
Safir are empaths as well, but I haven't yet determined if they can suppress their empathic output (leaning toward no, though)
That said, their telepathy is such that they would be able to sense most animals we'd keep as pets
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Yoshiman400 04-Oct-18 09:55 PM
So Mimi is an exception? 😛
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 09:55 PM
Seoni*
Nature abhors a monoculture
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Yoshiman400 04-Oct-18 09:55 PM
I thought Mimi had a pet insect or something?
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 09:55 PM
That said, given that Aoife can transform into a nekomimi, they're probably more akin to roommates than pet and master (edited)
I don't recall
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Yoshiman400 04-Oct-18 09:56 PM
hang on :3
[22:29] <Carl_Miller> <Vai> “(Mimi) did say a few months ago that she thinks it’d be neat to have a pet ichneumon.” Not sure if she committed to it though
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 09:58 PM
Probably she didn't, then
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Yoshiman400 04-Oct-18 10:00 PM
Doesn't look like it
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Vāstra II 05-Oct-18 11:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIzBia0C09o have some safir-sounding music
Ragnarok Online BGM Track 20 - Ancient groover
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Yoshiman400 06-Oct-18 04:41 PM
Hrm, what do you find to be "safir-sounding" about it?
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Vāstra II 06-Oct-18 05:23 PM
If I had to pick out one thing, then probably the flutes, but really the track as a whole
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Vāstra II 06-Oct-18 08:01 PM
Borobudur, or Barabudur (Indonesian: Candi Borobudur, Javanese: ꦕꦤ꧀ꦣꦶꦧꦫꦧꦸꦣꦸꦂ, translit. Candhi Barabudhur) is a 9th-century Mahayana Buddhist temple in Magelang Regency, not far from the town of Muntilan, in Central Java, Indonesia. It is the world's ...
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Vāstra II 09-Oct-18 10:30 AM
Absent the crown, which may or may not have been a Terran affectation, the main symbols of the queen of Firneramnen's authority are her elaborate silver and jade headdress, as well as an unsharpened greatsword, traditionally with solid silver furniture and a stained glass inlay.
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-18 07:42 PM
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-18 07:42 PM
I don't get it? o.O
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-18 07:44 PM
It's an aven (anthro bird), specifically (I believe) a secretarybird, just… not sure why it's inside a teapot (edited)
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-18 07:44 PM
Ohhhh
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Shyriath 12-Oct-18 11:13 PM
...It looks to me to be in FRONT of a pot, or a very large vase, but not inside one.
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-18 11:14 PM
Hmm, maybe
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Yoshiman400 12-Oct-18 11:15 PM
Agreed
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Shyriath 12-Oct-18 11:16 PM
Part of the lid's behind its neck, and its arm/wing sticks out beyond the edge of the vase on the left side.
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Vāstra II 12-Oct-18 11:16 PM
But still, burd. :>
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Yoshiman400 15-Oct-18 05:42 PM
wonders how much of a public figure Vai is because she is an ex-politician...
And when I say that, I mean that in like TMZ terms, not public speaker/motivational speaker/activist/etc. terms
And yes, I was inspired to brainstorm this after hearing the announcement of yet another expecting royal couple out in England XD
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Vāstra II 15-Oct-18 07:46 PM
Hmm, good question
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Yoshiman400 15-Oct-18 07:50 PM
Then again because of the gigantic length of a safir lifespan it really isn't that unusual for one to jump among so many vocations
So there are probably a lot more that enter or campaign for public office than you might think
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Vāstra II 15-Oct-18 07:56 PM
*nodnod*
That plus career politicians likely aren't a thing
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KaliFyre 15-Oct-18 11:28 PM
Term limits would be relatively short in safir timelines
Still long af to a human tho
Like 1 term might last 12 years, for example. (edited)
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-18 12:10 AM
Yeah (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 07:58 PM
Did you ever state how long Vai held office for?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:07 PM
Yes, on Alexandria's forum, which has since gone down
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:08 PM
Oh XP
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:08 PM
IIRC it was twelve years, but don't quote me on that just yet
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:25 PM
And it was before Mimi was born, right?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:34 PM
I think (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:34 PM
Thought so (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:35 PM
wishes he had logs of 2011-12 now
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:35 PM
...yeah, she would have had to
Unless she had Mimi while in office
because Mimi was like 9 or 10 when she finished her military service (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:37 PM
ISTR Vai visiting Alden while she was assigned to a base in Iyva, but again, early days
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:38 PM
I do, and I think she finished her service right before I axed you ;;>w>
*hug*
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:43 PM
Mimi would have been 9 Terran years old when Vai reported for conscription, so she would have been born while Vai was in the federal senate (and I think she was a state legislator before that???) (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:43 PM
She jumped straight from politics to the military? o.O
She didn't go to her law firm for a while?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:44 PM
Of course now I have the conundrum of do I retcon birthdays so Mimi is 21 Daian years old or not? because 21 Terran = 16.8 Daian
It was firm → legislature while still running the firm → military
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:44 PM
Ohhhhh
Why would you retcon the birthdays? (Or at least Mimi's?)
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:45 PM
Reread the second part of my penultimate message.
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:45 PM
Daian years are longer than terran years (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:45 PM
One Daian year = 1.25 Terran years
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:45 PM
Oh I see ;^_^
derp
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:45 PM
The age of majority is 16 (presently, may change it to 20), and the mandatory induction age is 100 (again, presently)
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:45 PM
I'll submit ideas a bit later. Just relaxing after work
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:46 PM
Age of majority?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:46 PM
Yes.
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:46 PM
What's that, the right to vote?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:46 PM
The age of majority is the threshold of adulthood as recognized or declared in law. It is the moment when minors cease to be considered such and assume legal control over their persons, actions, and decisions, thus terminating the control and legal responsibilities of their p...
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:47 PM
*headdesks in shame*
I am a dumdum. XD
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:47 PM
Basically the age where they say "you are adult now you must adult"
Adulting is hard >.>
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:47 PM
Indeed <.< (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:47 PM
Yeah, no, 20 seems kinda old for a safir given the length of a Daian year and when they enter college
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:47 PM
Consider also that safir live for over 400 Daian years ;.w.
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:48 PM
TBH
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:48 PM
Part of me wants to make it older still and justify it by stating that traditionally maturity is condidered to take a very long time to come to a given safir
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:48 PM
I was gonna say maybe the age of majority and the age of sexual maturity are different?
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:48 PM
That would make sense, Nex
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:49 PM
I mean... Considering how long Safir live how else do we avoided babysplosion?
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:49 PM
Especially considering how widely AoC varies throughout our own world
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:49 PM
And that too
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:49 PM
Low success-of-conception rate
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:49 PM
Oh true
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:49 PM
Which Hal and I have debated about in recent history, albeit not publicly XD
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:50 PM
And/or slowing down the frequency of mating seasons (edited)
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:50 PM
But tbh if something has a longer life they take longer to become adults and spend longer as geriatric. Because laws of thermodynamics and energy and etc etc etc
I don't know what else to quote tbh
I just know it's a thing in Earth
i.e tortoises and elephants vs cats and dogs
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:52 PM
Safir are geriatric for a relatively short time (usu. 50 Daian years or less, starting at ~400)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:52 PM
Their development just freezes at young adulthood (*coughmishralcough*)
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:52 PM
Yeah, in response I think they should have a longer time to physically mature. Mental maturity would come quick though, so keep the age of majority the same.
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:53 PM
I think that makes the most sense
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:53 PM
Indeed
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:53 PM
Now another wave of retcons, as I have to deal with characters who were born before their parents would have been physically mature (which, whenabouts should that be, even?)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:53 PM
What's the point up emoji about?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:53 PM
“This”
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:53 PM
Ah
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:54 PM
I have no idea where that should be
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:54 PM
thinks, again, around 100?
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:54 PM
Physical maturity at 100? o.o
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:54 PM
Humans take 20% of their natural life to stop growing
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:54 PM
If not physical than sexual
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:54 PM
10% to sexual
As a guideline I suggest 40
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
40 isn't too bad
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
100 for stop growinf
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
And then 80 for physical maturity?
Oh
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
Unless you want 80
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
At that point it seems kinda weird to have 16 remain the age of majority ;^.^
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
I reckon 80 makes more sense.
But yeah (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
Maybe instead 16 is the age of liability (i.e. when you can be tried as an adult), because of historical psionic recklessness among that age cohort?
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:55 PM
Yep (edited)
Makes sense
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:56 PM
That seems reasonable
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 08:56 PM
Adulthood at 40 or so
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:56 PM
Hrm
I think it's possible that sexual "readiness" happens at a certain age but their fertility factor (for lack of a better word) keeps rising until a later age, then it plateaus?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:57 PM
Possible
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 08:58 PM
Which would explain why Kuya still knocked up Vai twice at an earlier than normal age? XP
Unless you still scale her age up anyway
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 08:59 PM
I might, if you're amenable to it (it would make her 82 instead of 41)
I also need to fix my calendar calculator spreadsheet so I can retcon birthdates where necessary >w<
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:00 PM
I don't mind it, but I just thought it was cute that Vai and Kuya had that wide of an age gap XD
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:01 PM
Perhaps for azhars male fertility comes earlier than female (and the same would be true of pure male safir)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:02 PM
So M = A < F, or M < A < F?
Oh I see how you meant that
Still though, you're saying she'd have to be about 80 to gestate Sapphira?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:03 PM
As we discussed earlier, (female) safir would become sexually mature around 40 and physically mature around 80
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:04 PM
*nodnod* So couldn't she still be 60-something instead of 82?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:04 PM
Maybe, but at the same time I don't see how she couldn't still be 41 (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:04 PM
Ohhhhhhhh, I misinterpreted the context of "I might, if you're amenable to it (it would make her 82 instead of 41)"
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:05 PM
I had mixed up the ages of physical and sexual maturity discussed earlier
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:05 PM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:05 PM
Of course now that I think of it it would be kinda weird for the two to be so distant, but teen pregnancies are a thing so shrug_safir
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:05 PM
XD
We have stated before the families are friends anyway...
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:07 PM
*nod*
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:07 PM
Then again
I also don't expect Kuya to be...careless? enough to knock up Vai so early into her sexual maturity/threshold of male fertility
Like "as soon as she's able, she does" early
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:08 PM
One or the other (depending on the exact mechanics of safir reproduction) would have been in heat
And/or she sexually matured earlier than normal
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:08 PM
*chinstroke*
I mean, if you wanna bump up her up like 10 years or so that'd make sense. It'd at least alleviate the awkward "knocked up Vai in law school" angle XD
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:09 PM
Maybe
So, to summarize in one sentence: increasing the age of sexual maturity to 40ish, the age of physical maturity to 80ish, the age of majority to either 42 or 48 (because duodecimal), and retaining 16 as the age of liability? (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:10 PM
age of majority to either 42 or 48*?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:10 PM
Fixed
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:12 PM
Those are good numbers, just curious if "sexual maturity" simply means the threshold of all maturity, or threshold of peak maturity
and again if M = F
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:12 PM
Threshold of peak maturity, and not sure about the latter
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:12 PM
Okay
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:13 PM
@KaliFyre @BrightBlaze what do y'all think?
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:14 PM
👍
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:14 PM
frown_safir (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:14 PM
That makes sense, Kuya could have gotten on Vala's mischievous side at a younger age (not necessarily as young as we currently have her as knocking up Vai) but then conceive Vrai and Sapphira as she enters peak age
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:14 PM
Tbh I'm a little tired from work
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And that was only 2 hours lol
I was looking forward to more but the managers like "oh no you're only listed for 2 hours, well arrange for more next week for you"
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
So like I said, if you bump her age up 5-10 years that would make sense
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
(presumably all numbers Terran?)
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
Daian
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
Yeah
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
Yeah to Daian?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
Yep
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:16 PM
So that's 40/42-48/80 Daian?
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:17 PM
Ok
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:17 PM
To obtain Terran figures, multiply by 1¼
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:17 PM
Yeah
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:17 PM
So 40*1.25
Tbh that makes it 48 Terran years (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:17 PM
That's not bad
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:18 PM
50/52½-60/100
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:18 PM
I just thought of something bad though XD
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:18 PM
Oh?
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:18 PM
Make it 1.2 years instead of 1.25 because duodecimal, but that's just gonna rack everyone's heads more XD
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:18 PM
Btw can we assume they grow slowly as well? Like they look like teenagers at 30? XD
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:18 PM
Please god no more screwing with orbital mechanics.
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
That's why I said it was "something bad" :3 (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
alternatively, <Enāra> *replaces @Yoshiman400's brain with a neutron star*
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
XD
*BIG CRUNCH*
Ahem
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
C R O N C H
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
>XD
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
Anyway (edited)
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KaliFyre 17-Oct-18 09:19 PM
Insert expanding brain meme here
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:20 PM
now contemplates legal recognition of matrimonial unions, if any, in Firneramnen.
I think the likeliest example to copy off of Terra would be civil unions.
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:20 PM
Yeah
So yeah, Kuya would have to be like 45-50 Daian now, I guess?
Arkanis can still be about 20 years her younger
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:22 PM
She could be 51 Terran
The other Alden characters' reaction to the age of majority being so late among safir would probably be interesting
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:23 PM
Yeah, that makes sense XD
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🆙 | Yoshiman400 leveled up!
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:23 PM
o.o
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:23 PM
Another idea I have is that, traditionally, the day a safir was named (which was often also the day they were initiated) was celebrated more than their birthday
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:23 PM
initiated?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:23 PM
accordingly shifts Kuja's birthday back to 9 Oct 1967… she's now only three days younger than his dad
Into adulthood
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:24 PM
That sounds like an archaic thing too 😛
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:24 PM
Indeed
Pinned a message.
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:24 PM
So I have no idea how and when that would metamorphize into the present day where more children were named at birth
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:25 PM
Neither do I ._.
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:25 PM
Obviously at least a few centuries ago given our characters
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:25 PM
Yeah
Now I'm kinda startled how much we're implying Firneramnese culture has changed in the 219 years since human contact, especially since a lot of safir who were alive then would still be around
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:27 PM
Heh, that never hit you before?
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:28 PM
Not really
I think safir culture would still remain quite unchanged, though, with humans merely becoming another trading partner and Earth another destination in space travel agency portfolios (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:29 PM
And speech-based communication becoming more prominent
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:29 PM
Earth, meanwhile, would probably be utterly unrecognizable, which makes me thankful that whatever will be written will be focused on the safir 😅
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:30 PM
still has no idea how wide a telepathic range one usually has...
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:30 PM
~100m, I recall saying before
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Yoshiman400 17-Oct-18 09:30 PM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 17-Oct-18 09:30 PM
wonders if it would be possible to electronically capture and retransmit telepathy, or if even safir would have to speak into the microphone
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