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Vāstra II 01-Jun-17 07:34 PM
Dragons — six-legged, blue-blooded, psionic, carbon fiber/nanotubes in bones and scales. Native to Daia. Dreamweavers — giant sapient psionic spiders. Native to Lessa. Driders — dreamweaver-taurs. May not actually exist. Certainly not accepted into society. Found on Daia and Lessa. Nagas — Native to Lessa. Safir — four-armed blue-skinned matriarchal psionic space elves. Found on Daia and Lessa; native home unknown. Scorrow — scorpion-taurs. Native to Chiqaþrai, a small desert world located 200 of its (short) lightyears from Lessa. (edited)
Thank you for subscribing to Dragon Facts™! Did you know that dragons have the most powerful sixth sense of any creature known to exist? They can sense over the horizon at their flight ceiling of 1,000 feet (305 m) — that's over 40 miles (64 km)! (edited)
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Vāstra II 01-Jun-17 08:28 PM
Thank you for subscribing to Dragon Facts™! Did you know that dragons eat a blue whale's worth of food every day?
Thank you for subscribing to Dragon Facts™! Did you know that dragons have no qualms with eating sapient creatures, including other dragons?
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KaliFyre 01-Jun-17 11:22 PM
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Vāstra II 01-Jun-17 11:23 PM
To unsubscribe from Dragon Facts™, please call between the hours of 00:00 and 04:00 Western Time, dial extension 01189998819991197253, and roar into the telephone receiver for three minutes. (edited)
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KaliFyre 01-Jun-17 11:23 PM
XD (edited)
I needed that joke. 😛 (edited)
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Vāstra II 01-Jun-17 11:23 PM
🙂
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KaliFyre 01-Jun-17 11:24 PM
You knew exactly what I meant too. 😛
Well played. XD
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"01189998819991197253" Seriously though. Meme level 9001. XD
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Vāstra II 01-Jun-17 11:25 PM
😃
We appreciate your continued subscription to Dragon Facts™! Did you know that dragon hide is used to make assault vests for several police forces and the Alliance Starfleet? (edited)
Here's another Dragon Fact™! Did you know that dragons can fly 1,500 miles (2,400 km) in one day? (edited)
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KaliFyre 01-Jun-17 11:44 PM
Wow!
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Vāstra II 01-Jun-17 11:58 PM
[11:42 PM] Hālian: @ArdBoy The average Safirian dragon weighs 127 000 kg (140 short tons) [and is] 80’ (24.38 m), with a wingspan of 100’ (30.48 m)
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Yoshiman400 02-Jun-17 09:04 PM
And somehow condense that into a human-sized figure when they shapeshift X3
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KaliFyre 04-Jun-17 05:32 PM
5 days in. 1 post.
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Vāstra II 04-Jun-17 06:38 PM
Yeah, because I don't have enough information to write about geography 😦
also, it's still the 4th for me
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KaliFyre 04-Jun-17 08:35 PM
Well, have you at least drafted 3 and 4 or are you giving up?
Because if you're still stuck on geography and won't move on until you finish, you'll never finish before first contact. XD
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Vāstra II 04-Jun-17 09:10 PM
Lol
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Vāstra II 21-Jun-17 06:36 AM
[06:35:49] Halian: Interestingly, in Classical Āirumāli, “brain” is singular/plural, but “mind” is collective/singulative
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KaliFyre 21-Jun-17 11:52 AM
Nice
But plsno hive mind (edited)
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Vāstra II 26-Jun-17 09:08 PM
there's no #art so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Yoshiman400 26-Jun-17 09:09 PM
Oh he did that? :D
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Vāstra II 26-Jun-17 09:11 PM
I thought SoySauce was a she
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Yoshiman400 26-Jun-17 09:11 PM
Huh, but yeah, he's a guy
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Vāstra II 26-Jun-17 09:11 PM
unless you're referring to Tonbo Kusanagi in which he did the original on which this shop was based
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Yoshiman400 26-Jun-17 09:30 PM
Ah
Nope, Soy
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Vāstra II 26-Jun-17 09:32 PM
Yeah, overnight
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Vāstra II 29-Jun-17 12:08 AM
1girl, blonde hair, blue skin, elf, front ponytail, gold eyes, japanese clothes, kimono, lowres, microspace, midna, midna (true), nintendo, perfection, pointy ears, solo, spoilers, the legend of zelda, the legend of zelda: twilight princess, twilight princess, yellow eyes
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Vāstra II 29-Jun-17 01:20 AM
1girl, armor, armpits, arms up, bebe1999, bikini armor, black lipstick, blue skin, breasts, cleavage, curvy, elf, green hair, highres, hood, large breasts, lipstick, long hair, lying, makeup, navel, on side, pointy ears, red eyes, solo, sylvanas windrunner, warcraft, wide hips, world of warcraft
1girl, armor, blonde hair, blue dress, blue skin, column, crossed arms, dress, elf, emudoru, headpiece, long hair, mystical elf, pauldrons, pillar, pointy ears, shoulder armour, very long hair, yu-gi-oh!, yuu-gi-ou, yuu-gi-ou duel monsters
1girl, bespectacled, blue skin, blurry (artist), blush, breast hold, breasts, casual, dark elf, defense of the ancients, dota 2, drawfag, drow, drow ranger, elf, eyelashes, facial mark, finger to mouth, glasses, green eyes, highres, hoodie, large breasts, long hair, pointy ears, semi-rimless glasses, short sleeves, shushing, simple background, sleeves rolled up, solo, traxex, under-rim glasses, white hair
#1, 1girl, aurastack, blue skin, breath, cold, dark elf, dark elf (lineage 2), elf, lineage, lineage 2, long hair, pointy ears, ponytail, scarf, smile, snow, solo, white hair
2girls, black wedding dress, blue skin, bouquet, breasts, cleavage, dark bride, dress, dual persona, elf, flower, imp, jewelry, microspace, midna, midna (true), monster girl, multiple girls, necklace, nintendo, no hat, orange hair, pointy ears, spoilers, the legend of zelda, the legend of zelda: twilight princess, twilight princess, wedding dress
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Vāstra II 29-Jun-17 01:31 AM
(Mystical Elf from Yugioh, Drow Ranger from DotA 2, Dark Elf from Lineage, Midna (true form) from The Legend of Zelda)
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KaliFyre 29-Jun-17 10:50 AM
These are all two armed though. XD
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Vāstra II 29-Jun-17 11:58 AM
They can pass as half-safir or have another pair of arms shopped on
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KaliFyre 29-Jun-17 12:32 PM
True.
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Yoshiman400 30-Jun-17 07:36 PM
XD
Or just pretend they exist :3
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Vāstra II 30-Jun-17 10:01 PM
My system for creating Solar Calendars ———————————— ► CALENDAR BUILDING SPREADSHEET: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GzcytgbTknXEs8uc1MbiGzYEKvWNlqMU...
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 02:26 PM
Is a particular physical attribute or feature revered by your people? The safir revere beauty, intelligence, and psionic prowess above most everything else, due to their pacifistic nature and the primacy of the deities Kaēna (the goddess of knowledge and wisdom) and Vāla (the goddess of love and fertility) among their pantheon. More specifically, their society selects for very long, straight hair (in all three genders) and for telepathic ability, though powerful telekinetics are also greatly respected. Safir with white hair and amber or golden eyes (one of the rarest combinations) are often considered to have been blessed by Āmāne, the goddess of law and justice, and the queen of the gods. Blind and/or deaf safir are considered to have been blessed by Kaēna, as those safir often have heightened psionic sensory capabilities to compensate for their impaired conventional senses — how, if at all, this correlates with the mythical initiation rite of sybils (safir with the capability to actively peer into the future) blinding themselves in sacrifice to the gods — is unknown.
(If you have passive future sight — i.e. random prophetic visions — you're an augur, not a sybil.)
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 03:09 PM
What is musical theatre like in your world? Safir theatre makes heavy use of wind, string, and percussion instruments to provide music, alongside the actresses' and -tors' own syringeal vocalizations; which vocalizations may also form the dialogue, alongside telepathic transmissions and, rarely, spoken language of a sort that we humans would deem more conventional. The most popular theatre production right now, taking the whole of the Safir Alliance into account, is a revival of the XLII century AI *opera classic Betwixt Five Rivers (composer: Azali XIV, librettist: Storace, jnr.).
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 03:20 PM
Are there levels of ranking your worlds have for things, are there any ideas you have as well on how to rank things similar to ours? The Imperial Games (Safiria's Olympics-equivalent) awards two sets of medals to the top four competitrices/-tors. Sports introduced before a certain point award sapphire, amethyst, emerald, and ruby medallions, while those introduced after award silver, bismuth, gold, and ytterbium ones. Leaked designs of medals for the upcoming games — in which the representative metal is inset with the corresponding gem — have drawn both praise and criticism on the *Internet, in droves. Classes of objects are often numbered. The most visible example is an individiual safir's psionic power ratings, which are expressed as a quartet of numbers from 0 (completely insensate) to 12 (godlike; safir use duodecimal), rating the individual's telepathic power, telepathic control, and then the same for their psychokinetic abilities. Individuals with certain rare abilities (e.g. augurs and sybils, or monitors, or projectors, or manipulators) generally exist outside of this rating system.
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Yoshiman400 17-Jul-17 08:29 PM
Neat :D
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 08:29 PM
Thank you 😃 (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Jul-17 08:30 PM
That paragraph about being blessed by Amane or Kaena is interesting
But I thought long hair was only a femme thing? (No request to change it if you've changed your mind)
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 08:30 PM
Male safir usually wear their hair down to their waists, which is long by human standards.
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Yoshiman400 17-Jul-17 08:30 PM
Ah
I've always played Arkanis with hair that doesn't make it down to the bottom of his neck XD (edited)
Mishral probably wasn't such either
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 08:31 PM
Heh
That's fine, though; nature abhors a monoculture
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Yoshiman400 17-Jul-17 08:31 PM
Hehe
Mishral: "I've mated and sired so many people outside my species I have no idea what is acceptable anymore." ;>w>
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 08:32 PM
🤣
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Yoshiman400 17-Jul-17 08:35 PM
Arkanis: "You know how much of a pain long hair is in zero gravity?" ;>w>
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Vāstra II 17-Jul-17 08:35 PM
True
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Vāstra II 24-Jul-17 06:59 PM
Yrkvra Alyra (given name italicized) is an ancient safir (four-armed blue-skinned psionic elvenoid) dragon knight, who was born in the (now...
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Vāstra II 03-Aug-17 02:28 AM
Every court in Firneramnen uses a three-pronged system of court recording, ensuring a complete and public record is created of: • What was seen (through the use of video cameras and/or court artists) • What was heard (through the use of microphones and/or stenographers) • What was thought (through the use of telepathic listening devices and/or flesh and blood mind-readers)
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Vāstra II 19-Aug-17 11:49 PM
[11:48 PM] Hālian: I wonder what a city like Aňira (the capital of the Safir Alliance) would be like, since they've had cars for thousands of years [11:49 PM] Hālian: Probably the pedestrian-oriented old town, and then the wheely-car-oriented older sprawl, and then the probably-pedestrian-oriented-but-also-floaty-car-parking-having newer sprawl? unless floaty cars just float and not fly, in which case still car-oriented but also more mixed-use and such
Or have they ever had cars with wheels or tracks or etc.?
(Pseudorelatedly to my above ramblings, I kinda want to base the safir system of measurement on the height of the average adult female safir… but that's right around 2 m >:/)
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Yoshiman400 19-Aug-17 11:51 PM
What, too similar to metric?
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Vāstra II 19-Aug-17 11:53 PM
Yeah
“what shoe size would a 6'4" woman have” is probably one of the more oddly specific things I've asked Google
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Yoshiman400 19-Aug-17 11:54 PM
Heh
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Vāstra II 19-Aug-17 11:58 PM
Or maybe hand size — my hand, fully outstretched, is 8 3/4” from tip of thumb to tip of pinky
(the average adult female safir foot would be around 12” long) (edited)
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Vāstra II 10-Sep-17 04:11 PM
probably can't even begin to fathom the nature of safir politics and governance, due to their incredibly long lifespans and their long-term thinking.
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Vāstra II 10-Sep-17 05:53 PM
Maybe to safir a number divided by 0 is 0, since the only way to divide a group of objects zero ways, in their logic, is to be rid of them all.
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KaliFyre 11-Sep-17 09:28 AM
Works.
TBH that should apply to human logic too.
Computer wise they're modeling it that way now.
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 03:27 PM
[2:48 PM] Hālian: is having… “existential crisis” is probably too hyperbolic, but he can't think of a better word for now, about… Safiria [2:49 PM] Hālian: Specifically, I'm not sure that it's plausible for a culture of communalist pacifistic naturally-psychic humanoid aliens to develop money or politics or a military or etc., but at the same time I can't really think of anything to replace them with that scales well to a population of about 190-200 million in their homeland and billions throughout the star empire that centers around them. @everyone help? (@KaliFyre can just summarize what he came up with in another server where we'd already talked about this for a little while)
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 03:40 PM
In economics, a time-based currency is an alternative currency or exchange system where the unit of account/value is the person-hour or some other time unit. Some time-based currencies value everyone’s contributions equally: one hour equals one...
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KaliFyre 13-Sep-17 03:49 PM
Pastebin my logs please, I'm can barely remember what I said. A flash of energy-drink inspired brilliance...
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 03:52 PM
Oh! Speaking of Star Trek, replicators!
(or -trices, depending on what grammatical gender the Āirumāli word would have, if we do have them!)
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:30 PM
…Anyone?
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:37 PM
I would think material and temporal currency can coexist but that's me and being used to playing characters who have adhered to the former for years >w> (edited)
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:38 PM
The bigger thing, though, is “would the safir even realistically develop a monetary system, given that they're communalist psychics and we're… not?”
Granted I am kinda mad at myself for not having thought about that earlier
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:38 PM
They're also spacefarers XP
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:38 PM
And?
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:39 PM
Not exactly a reclusive society
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:39 PM
I never said they were? o.o
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:39 PM
Correct, but I'm just stating that as an observation
Not saying they would just fix themselves to another culture's monetary system but it would hardly seem unreasonable that they would have to enact a material monetary system to do business more efficiently with said other cultures
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:41 PM
There'd have to be some way of converting out of it to deal with those xenoi who do think shiny things and fancy bits of paper have worth 😛
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:41 PM
Exactly =P
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:41 PM
But do you have any ideas as to what their internal economy might look like? Because, as usual, I'm drawing a blank…
(well, not exactly: I do like barter and gift economies, but I don't think they'd scale well enough)
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:42 PM
What do you mean? You've developed the Safirian lire before
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:42 PM
And now I think I jammed my foot in my mouth in so doing
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:42 PM
Or whatever is the proper demonym for their currency unit now
Like I said, I think financial and temporal currency can coexist
Especially given the groups of safir that still live in rather primal/rural communities
But for every one of those, you've got big urban, professional collectives as well
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:44 PM
At the same time, though, I would feel bad about abolishing the Firneramnen…i? ic? ish? ese? monetary economy, since it retcons Kuja and Vraissaþelemnai out of jobs
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:45 PM
You are looking at the part where I say they can coexist, right? XD
I dunno why you're thinking you have to choose one or the other
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:46 PM
Because I don't think a species of communal psychic aliens would develop capitalism without external influence
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:47 PM
Well yeah, they've been in contact with external influence for how many thousands of years?
(Even those on Daia)
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:47 PM
At least 5 thousands, but they've existed for a thousand thousands
I can't fully wrap my mind around a moneyless society. How does one come to own anything if it cannot be purchased? Say I want a television, how...
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:49 PM
*shrug* Humans have existed for thousands of years and have only mastered electricity over the past couple of hundred
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:49 PM
😦
Maybe the private property (factories, mines, thing inventors) is instead owned by the State or the people, though without denigrating the existance of personal property (houses, TVs, free-range talonflame eggs)
and then on top of that a gift economy, per the reddit link
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:54 PM
But yeah, I think that there's no shame in both economies coexisting
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:54 PM
Now how to convert between the two…
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:57 PM
Who knows, but I bet brothels make a killing no matter what =P
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:57 PM
LOL
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:57 PM
<Issela> *AHEM* "Revel is NOT a brothel." :I
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:57 PM
XD
*AHEM* In the criminal justice system, sexually-based offenses are considered especially heinous.
*shot*
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:58 PM
XD
And you can bet I read that in the voice too.
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 08:59 PM
Yep 'w' (edited)
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 08:59 PM
...wait a few minutes >w>
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 09:00 PM
Though I do wonder how things like lawyers would work in a gift economy
brb
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Yoshiman400 13-Sep-17 09:10 PM
okay, I've done my thing
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Vāstra II 13-Sep-17 09:15 PM
But how the fuck would most lawyers and universities and the government itself exist and aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Deleted User 16-Sep-17 12:09 AM
I wonder what kind of video game Safiria would be.
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 12:10 AM
What do you mean
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Deleted User 16-Sep-17 12:10 AM
"If you had a game set in your world then what kind of game would you like to be?"
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 12:10 AM
In before eroge/dating sim >w> (edited)
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Deleted User 16-Sep-17 12:10 AM
Oops, I failed
The response I've drafted so far (but aren't sure about) is: Safiria would likely be a ridiculously large sandbox open-world JRPG, perhaps with dating-sim elements.
<w<
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 12:11 AM
LOL
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Deleted User 16-Sep-17 12:13 AM
What do you think it might be?
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Tatsu BOT 16-Sep-17 12:13 AM
🆙 | Hālian's Alt leveled up!
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 12:15 AM
Yeah, sandbox would be interesting
Although a FF-style RPG doesn't seem unreasonable, given their synergy of magic/psi and technology
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Deleted User 16-Sep-17 12:16 AM
Also known as a JRPG 😛
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 01:21 PM
@Bijaro the Pallisican How screwed is Firneramnen, tropical-weather-wise?
(Firneramnen being the safir homeland, that is the subcontinent on the western edge of the sole continent, where there are state lines; also, the blue lines are the tropics and [ant]arctic circles) (edited)
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Bijaro the Pallisican 16-Sep-17 01:37 PM
I'll spend some time on it today. Will use the same method I used for Micras.
Will use the same method to the extent that I can anyway. We'll see how well it actually works.
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 02:12 PM
Thanks
notes that Daia has retrograde rotation, if it matters
also, orbital mechanics can be seen here https://safiria.miraheze.org/wiki/Daia
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:18 PM
I didn't realize the lower part of Firneramnen is that close to Daia's equator
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:18 PM
So the geography does bear out my headcanon of Aňira being pretty uniformly warm while Qalani has more continental or maritime weather
(better known as: I can't remember shit)
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:19 PM
XD
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:19 PM
But yeah, Aňira is about 8° S
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:19 PM
...oh right, looked at the wrong line XD
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:19 PM
wonders if it'd be at all possible for there to be little to no thunderstorms on Daia X3
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:19 PM
I was looking at the southern tropic at the equator for some stupid reason XP
Also, unless the whole continent was arid--which I highly doubt--why'd you think there'd be little to no thunderstorms?
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:21 PM
I'm not sure, probably because I think Daia would hover around the “gaia world” designation on Stellaris' world type chart, as opposed to Earth which is a death world/space Australia/etc X3
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:22 PM
Oh? XD
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:22 PM
Yes.
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:22 PM
How is Earth a death world? Because humans are idiots? =P
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:24 PM
Electric clouds, fire mountains, the ground shaking, solar flares, landslides, etc.
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:24 PM
Ah
So each gridline of latitude is 5 degrees? (edited)
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:32 PM
Each graticule is 10° (edited)
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:32 PM
Oh, okay--I was thinking you meant Anhira the city, not the state
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Vāstra II 16-Sep-17 04:32 PM
It's very difficult to administratively separate the two
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 04:34 PM
ah
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Bijaro the Pallisican 16-Sep-17 10:57 PM
@Vāstra II
That's a fairly rough draft.
Seems like the north and eastern part of the continent would be cooler/more temperate than the southern/western part
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 10:59 PM
What map is that supposed to be?
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Bijaro the Pallisican 16-Sep-17 10:59 PM
It's a climate map
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Bijaro the Pallisican 16-Sep-17 11:07 PM
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Yoshiman400 16-Sep-17 11:07 PM
Ahhh
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Bijaro the Pallisican 16-Sep-17 11:08 PM
It looks to me like storms would tend to form around those islands, and head east
striking the area where you seem to have drawn borders
those islands in the east, being of course the ones out there in the open ocean
bearing in mind this isn't my area of expertise
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Vāstra II 17-Sep-17 12:10 AM
Oh neat
(That area, btw, is the Queendom of Firneramnen, and the borders are state lines.)
@Bijaro the Pallisican Is there a key to the colors on each map?
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Bijaro the Pallisican 17-Sep-17 12:21 AM
Nah not yet
if you're satisfied with how it looks I can go and add one
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Vāstra II 17-Sep-17 12:34 AM
Would it help if I sent you the .svg version of the map?
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Bijaro the Pallisican 17-Sep-17 12:57 AM
I don't think it'd make too much of a difference
if you wanted to send me a bigger image though then I could probably make something a little neater
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Vāstra II 17-Sep-17 12:58 AM
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Bijaro the Pallisican 17-Sep-17 01:12 AM
Cool i'll see what i can do in the morning
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Tatsu BOT 17-Sep-17 01:12 AM
🆙 | Bijaro the Pallisican leveled up!
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Bijaro the Pallisican 17-Sep-17 01:12 AM
Nice!
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Yoshiman400 17-Sep-17 01:12 AM
😮
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Bijaro the Pallisican 17-Sep-17 01:12 AM
i'll try to do it after i update my market
been meaning to do that lol
anyway i'm gonna go shower and go to bed
peace
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Vāstra II 17-Sep-17 01:18 AM
Night
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Vāstra II 19-Sep-17 12:36 PM
[10:36:00] * Halian wonders: if the human brain processes color on red-green and yellow-blue axes, how do safir (who are hexachromats [IR R G B UV either-further-IR-or-further-UV-I'm-not-sure]) brains process color? /me also contemplates the mechanism by which safir perceive electricity (likely similar to sharks') and magnetic fields (birds do this, right?) and psychic energy (???)
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Vāstra II 19-Sep-17 12:51 PM
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Yoshiman400 20-Sep-17 08:14 PM
What is blue/orange morality? (edited)
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Vāstra II 20-Sep-17 08:16 PM
@Bijaro the Pallisican meep?
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Bijaro the Pallisican 20-Sep-17 08:17 PM
?
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Vāstra II 20-Sep-17 08:17 PM
To say that questions of morality are thorny and filled with gray when they aren't being hammered between stark absolutes is putting it mildly. Because of this there can be great drama when characters who represent a wide range of moral viewpoint...
@Bijaro the Pallisican Keys to the colors on the maps you posted the other day, and/or also larger, neater versions thereof?
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Bijaro the Pallisican 20-Sep-17 08:18 PM
Right, I'm still meaning to work on that.
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Yoshiman400 20-Sep-17 08:19 PM
@Vāstra II That bit about Stone Cold in that article is true. :3
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Vāstra II 20-Sep-17 08:19 PM
LOL
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Vāstra II 06-Oct-17 10:02 PM
@Bijaro the Pallisican Any progress on the keys to the maps you posted the other day? (and/or larger versions of those maps?)
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Bijaro the Pallisican 08-Oct-17 01:46 PM
Not just yet. I might actually play around a little bit with my technique before getting back to you with the polished model.
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Vāstra II 08-Oct-17 01:47 PM
OK
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-17 10:46 PM
I think a good way to make the safir feel a little more alien would be to have them use a different order of operations.
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Yoshiman400 11-Oct-17 10:46 PM
Like arithmetic?
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-17 10:46 PM
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 11-Oct-17 10:46 PM
huh
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-17 10:46 PM
For us, it's Parentheses, Exponents, Multiply, Divide, Add, Subtract
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Yoshiman400 11-Oct-17 10:46 PM
yup
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-17 10:47 PM
I think I've also mentioned that for them, anything / 0 = 0
Also, they use either Polish or reverse Polish notation, depending on whether Āirumāli is VSO or SOV, respectively — I can't remember offhand
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Yoshiman400 11-Oct-17 10:47 PM
I do know the division by 0 thing
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-17 10:47 PM
so instead of (4 + 2) * 6, it'd be either * (+ 4 2) 6 or (4 2 +) 6 *
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Yoshiman400 11-Oct-17 10:47 PM
what do you mean by Polish/reverse Polish notation
Oh, just did it?
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Vāstra II 11-Oct-17 10:47 PM
Polish notation (PN), also known as normal Polish notation (NPN), Łukasiewicz notation, Warsaw notation, Polish prefix notation or simply prefix notation, is a mathematical notation in which operators precede their operands, in contrast to rever...
Reverse Polish notation (RPN), also known as Polish postfix notation or simply postfix notation, is a mathematical notation in which operators follow their operands, in contrast to Polish notation (PN), in which operators precede their operands. ...
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Vāstra II 16-Oct-17 11:41 PM
Insectae = tauric creatures, half safir and half scaled-up insect. Similar to, but not inclusive of, driders (spider-taurs) and scorrow (scorpion-taurs).
Qeegubmorein = A race of superstitious and colourful reptiles. They once had an empire that stretched half-way across the galaxy, but their territory is now limited to a handful of star systems. Nevertheless, their voice still carries much weight, and they have political influence over many younger species. Their home-world is a frozen wasteland of ice and snow, and they can only survive in a thin temperate region around the equator. Homeworld: Zluvu IX.
Coralfolk = “The shell-covered race. Individual members can merge their bodies to produce more powerful or different "composite" members. They are an all-female race. They live in a very stratified society. They are locked in an battle with age-old enemies. Their planet of origin is a world that has a single ring surrounding it and is known for its many natural wonders.”
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Vāstra II 26-Oct-17 07:19 AM
@Bijaro the Pallisican I don't suppose you've made any progress on the polished model of Firneramnese climate?
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-17 01:36 AM
A blue whale's heart rate is 8-10 bpm. Since dragons are of similar size, it stands to reason that their heart rate is similar, too.
@Bijaro the Pallisican Has there by chance been any progress with the polished climate model, or keys to the climate maps you posted in September? (edited)
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Bijaro the Pallisican 05-Nov-17 11:40 AM
I'll post it once I've finished with it, for sure. I haven't forgotten.
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-17 05:23 PM
What about when a dragon shapeshifts?
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-17 08:15 PM
@Yoshiman400 no idea, and I think it's simply too outlandish to make such an ability the norm :/
@Bijaro the Pallisican#5439 thumbs_up_safir (edited)
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-17 08:15 PM
Heh, so what of Kzvarla then?
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-17 08:15 PM
o.o
I did a thing
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-17 08:16 PM
I'm not sure ._.
also Kappa // (edited)
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Vāstra II 06-Nov-17 11:20 PM
[11:20 PM] Hālian: The Safir Alliance has sapient AI, since I've mentioned before that their starcraft are often “co-piloted” by holographic (and telepathic!) virtual assistants
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KaliFyre 07-Nov-17 07:16 AM
I do remember that, yes.
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Vāstra II 07-Nov-17 02:51 PM
I wonder if it's possible for the safir to have a cryptocurrency that has entirely replaced hard currency in at least one country but is still minable using a setup similar to Folding@home.
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KaliFyre 07-Nov-17 03:46 PM
The Itavr have literally the same setup.
It works like ethereum, and the whole internet and computing systems run on it, them being the technocratic digiphiles they are. XD
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Vāstra II 07-Nov-17 03:48 PM
Ah
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KaliFyre 07-Nov-17 03:48 PM
I'd work on it more, but such a system is better left (largely) handwaved.
I mean they're post scarcity, all things cost is processing time, so processing tme is literally the currency of choice. XD (edited)
Everyone contributes and gets their share, in return they get to do processing intensive tasks when needed.
Food, water, living, etc is already dealt with. This is mainly artisanal or hobbyist stuff. (edited)
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Vāstra II 07-Nov-17 03:50 PM
I'm not an EE or CE so trying to describe safir computer systems would be a complete crapshoot for me, lol
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KaliFyre 07-Nov-17 03:51 PM
XD
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Vāstra II 21-Nov-17 12:06 PM
@Bijaro the Pallisican I hate to keep badgering you about it, but has there been any progress on the climate map front? 😦
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Bijaro the Pallisican 21-Nov-17 12:08 PM
Was planning on finisihing it up over the holiday
thanksgiving starts this evening, got a good 5 days off (edited)
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Vāstra II 21-Nov-17 12:12 PM
OK, sweet
Enjoy your Thanksgiving smile_safir (edited)
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 10:41 PM
I should work on designing a system of government that, if not uniquely safir (though it probably will be), is not found often, or at all, among human nations/etc
Their pacifist, communal nature and their natural telepathy suggests rule by consensus, even if informal and couched in the trappings of monarchy
Another nation of theirs could just as easily be a direct democracy
(but I'm mainly concerned about Firneramnen, the first among equals, at this point)
Any suggestions from the rest of y'all, or should I ask more ultimately pointless questions? stick_out_tongue_safir (edited)
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Deleted User 22-Nov-17 11:05 PM
That would be interesting, I'll think of somethin that could work!
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Vāstra II 22-Nov-17 11:09 PM
@Deleted User smile_safir (edited)
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Deleted User 23-Nov-17 12:09 PM
Perhaps an odd mix of a monarchy/presidential sort of thing. A person's voted in until they die, and until the next voting process their child takes the "throne"? Just a random idea, could use some work.
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Vāstra II 23-Nov-17 12:10 PM
That's an elective monarchy — we have that on Earth in a few places, like Malaysia and the Vatican — with the previous monarch's child as regent
Interesting, though
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Deleted User 23-Nov-17 12:10 PM
Huh, never heard of it being on Earth honestly xD
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:00 AM
I just thought of something. Is their say.. A music aspect to Safir culture? How it's played and instruments and such
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:03 AM
Definitely. I haven't developed any native instruments yet, and I still need to elaborate on the nature of the safir's birdsong-language (since they have syrinxes instead of larynxes), but safir music is definitely a Thing.
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:04 AM
I could perhaps think of proto-types for their instruments, is there anything on the server about their basic biology?
Like body structure is all I'd need
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:06 AM
Safir are four-armed elvenoids; females are tall (average 6’5’) and voluptuous by human standards, males are rather short (average 5’5’) and… I can't think of a non-loanword term so “bishounen” will have to do, and hermaphrodites (who are outwardly female but for having both sets of equipment) are in the middle, but still average around 5’11” (edited)
(The voluptuous nature of femme safir actually makes me worried that they wouldn't be able to use a bow and arrow without their breasts getting in the way; the mythical Amazons performed mastectomies on themselves, but I'm pretty sure the safir wouldn't go that far.)
(Maybe they handle bows differently than we Westerners are used to; note to self: watch kyūdō videos.)
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:10 AM
First idea; Perhaps a wooden instrument with 8 strings, the center, top and bottom being the "octave" strings. Those ones are an octave above or bellow the other strings, the bottom and top ones being the same note as the string adjacent to them (bottom being a high D, the string above it being an octave lower but still a D note). It's "frets" are floating above the neck of the instrument much like a sitar
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:11 AM
Interesting
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:11 AM
Perhaps some modifications could be two hollow drums (basically bongos, for a lack of better terms) hanging from it for the other two arms to play percussive pieces to the music alongside the strings
Or even a second neck, which could be used for melody or an equivalent to a bass
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:12 AM
I like to imagine that woodwinds would feature heavily in the native music of Firneramnen (the England to the Safir Alliance's British Empire), but I do like your idea for an instrument 😃
also contemplates, in no particular order, marimbas, talking drums, the didgeridoo, the shakuhachi, and the instruments peculiar to gagaku
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:13 AM
Yaay, I think it'd be harder for me to think of a wind instrument honestly, since I can't think of a lot of variation other than size and material to what we have on earth
Perhaps to add more lore to that instrument idea; It could be used for some ritual/ceremony for the dead? Or at least more commonly is used for that, instead o f exclusively
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:14 AM
Maybe
The usual form of a wind instrument would be one built to fit a female safir player, so I imagine it'd be a little larger than a human e.g. flute
There's also the question of what sort of music scales do they use and stuff
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:14 AM
Much like the organ is very common in religious situations, but it is used outside of them as well. And oo
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:14 AM
@Deleted User Also sports
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:15 AM
The Safir are very peaceful, correct?
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:15 AM
Yeah
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:16 AM
I'd imagine more harmonic scales, like ascending/descending melodic minor; harmonic minor; phrygian; etc.
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:16 AM
Maybe
The odd-numbered equal temperaments are also enticing (and so is 72-TET despite it being even) (edited)
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:17 AM
Huh?
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:17 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_equal_temperament also 17 19 31 41 53 and also also 24 72
In music, 15 equal temperament, called 15-TET, 15-EDO, or 15-ET, is a tempered scale derived by dividing the octave into 15 equal steps (equal frequency ratios). Each step represents a frequency ratio of 15√2, or 80 cents ( Play ). Because 15 f...
I should probably go to bed, since I have class in the morning :x
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:18 AM
How late is it for you? If you're fine saying.
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:18 AM
1:18:50 AM EST (edited)
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:19 AM
You should probably get to bed
I should too, since I'm an hour behind you xD I have work tomorrow..
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:19 AM
Night X3
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Deleted User 29-Nov-17 01:19 AM
Gute nacht!
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Vāstra II 29-Nov-17 01:19 AM
(also, style guide note: "safir" is a common noun, like "human", and an invariant noun, like "deer")
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Vāstra II 12-Dec-17 05:04 PM
notes that two teams in the Firneramnese third division have names: Signal Corps AC and Vatemar FC
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Deleted User 13-Dec-17 09:43 AM
I thought of another government type, that could be interesting for the Safir elective oligarchy.
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Vāstra II 13-Dec-17 03:43 PM
Oh?
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Deleted User 14-Dec-17 10:42 AM
Yeah, say instead of one ruler being voted in,even having a congress or so it could be a group of representatives from each region or something, so it could be five, seven, etc. people who can have complete power but they have to agree or have majority in their votes and stuff? So it could work, potentially?
I might not have explained it right
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Vāstra II 14-Dec-17 03:36 PM
That's similar to what Switzerland does, and I'm having a similar idea for Hoenn before human settlement
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Deleted User 14-Dec-17 03:37 PM
Wait, Switzerland does that?!
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Vāstra II 14-Dec-17 03:38 PM
Yep
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Federal_Council It's not strictly regional, though
The Federal Council is the seven-member executive council which constitutes the federal government of the Swiss Confederation and serves as the collective executive head of government and state of Switzerland. While the entire council is responsi...
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Deleted User 15-Dec-17 10:04 AM
Huh, interesting
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Vāstra II 17-Dec-17 08:42 PM
captainpissoffkenway: “captainjgalaxy: “Throwing my hat in the ring here, I don’t know if its already been done Okay, so you know how weird human memory is? Like, some people can remember faces and...
This seems especially poignant, since I believe I've mentioned the safir have rather good memory on their own, if not genetic memory (though that doesn't help you remember where your tea went) (edited)
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Vāstra II 17-Dec-17 09:05 PM
Another “humans are weird” concept. Dreams. Hat if other aliens don’t dream and have no idea what it is. So we come skipping downstairs in the morning and say something like “hey Or’thn, I had the...
(especially since my notes say that most safir meditate instead of sleeping or just don't need to sleep)
I do wonder if herm safir would generally identify as female or not, especially if Āirumāli/whatever other language(s) they might speak have gendered pronouns
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Yoshiman400 17-Dec-17 09:09 PM
I know you and I have joked about whether it'd count as transgenderism if a herm safir requested to have one set of genitalia removed =P
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Vāstra II 17-Dec-17 09:12 PM
Lol
So there has been a bit of “what if humans were the weird ones?” going around tumblr at the moment and Earth Day got me thinking. Earth is a wonky place, the axis tilts, the orbit wobbles, and the ground spews molten rock for goodness sakes. What if what makes humans weird is just our capacity to survive? What if all the other life bearing planets are these mild, Mediterranean climates with no seasons, no tectonic plates, and no intense weather? Somehow, the planet Daia raises its hand.
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Yoshiman400 17-Dec-17 09:12 PM
XD
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Vāstra II 17-Dec-17 09:14 PM
Daia is probably like Florida in that its definition of "extreme weather" is the lightest dusting of snow 😛
(especially since the typical winter low in a Mediterranean climate is in the 40s °F) (edited)
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Yoshiman400 17-Dec-17 09:16 PM
heh
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Vāstra II 17-Dec-17 09:27 PM
https://fingle-fangle.tumblr.com/post/168056655892/more-legit-gr8er-writing-tips an interesting post about the history of (long) hair care
more-legit-gr8er-writing-tips: “ thebestcreativewritingblogs: “ jessamygriffin: “ virtualclutter: “ Hair washing and care in the the 19th century Hair washing is something that almost every historical...
also especially poignant
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Vāstra II 26-Dec-17 07:22 PM
The planet Ikeři is a center of synth manufacturing, among other psionic technologies, due to its large deep crystal reserves, slivers of which are required in the creation of psionic interfaces.
Also, here have some races I generated and kept elsewhere and forgot to post here: Coralfolk (sg. coralmaid) - an all-female race of corals that can coalesce into collectives, and reproduces asexually. Orgsoar (Pursa V) - A small six-limbed insectoid species with transparent exoskeletons. Their civilization is dedicated to justice and harmony. Rhelomians (Arion) - A race of manipulative hermaphrodites with large horns on either side of their heads. They live in floating mobile homes. Bespons (Ventos) - A race of bi-sexual insects with noses on the tops of their heads. They wear ceremonial robes. They have highly ordered and logical minds, and they are obsessed with mathematics and statistics. They are currently engaged in a devastating nuclear war with members of their own species.
The cumbersome, fire-based, white-feathered race. They have a single eye. They are omnivores, but prefer to be carnivorous. They can discharge energy as a natural weapon. By tradition, they are a race of inventors. Their method of extretion is infamously disgusting. Their major technical achievements are in anti-gravity. They are extremely morose. They are locked in an battle with age-old enemies. The graceful race that resembles the vampires of earth mythology. Their society is split by gender - males and females are separate cultures. Their major technical achievements are in artificial life. Their government is a bureaucracy. They are close relatives of another race, from whom they split over cultural differences ages ago. The race that resembles the centaurs of earth mythology. Their society is dependent on one technology: computers. They control a solar system. The crustacean race. They are famous for producing economists. They have not yet mastered even one world. Their origin is a mystery - even their supposed world of origin doesn't seem to be their homeworld. They come from another universe. The earth-based, bat-like race. They have powerful nasal senses. This race moves along on tentacles instead of legs. They have incredible navigation abilities. By necessity, they are a race of entertainers. They can change genders under certain conditions. Their government is functional. They are close relatives of another race, from whom they split over cultural differences ages ago. Their world of origin is pleasant.
: The bulky, skinless race. Their sensitive whiskers provide powerful tactile senses. They are carnivores. They have powerful stink glands. They are packrats. They once ruled a great empire, but were utterly defeated in a war. The arachnid race. Their tongues act as manipulatory limbs. Their society is dependent on one technology: anti-gravity. The different genders of the species are very distinct physically. Their planet of origin is known for being home to powerful diseases. The silver-spined race. This race has elongated limbs. This race moves bipedally. By tradition, they are a race of historians. They are known to have terrible body odor. They reproduce by budding off new members of their race. Their government is efficient. They are actually a biomechanical race created by another people. Their world of origin is icy, has many moons, and is known for its dangerous wildlife. The spindly race that resembles the nagas of earth mythology. Their major technical achievements are in chemistry. They have a tightly organized military. They are a growing empire. They were once a dead people - what brought them back to life is a matter of speculation. The green-shelled race. They spend their lives tied to a giant central computer. They are a hermaphroditic race. They have a tightly organized military. Their world of origin is pleasant, resource-poor, and is known for being home to powerful diseases.
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Deleted User 01-Jan-18 02:27 PM
I've been thinking of more things that could be the government systems in the world/universe. Perhaps something based off of how the Roman Republic worked? Taking the idea of two elected leaders who switch leadership after a certain amount of time, and the one who isn't the current siting leader is just kind of there as another member of the Consuls and doing something based off that maybe? Or two monarchs, given the title via bloodline that are from two different families could be dual monarchs and that could be expanded on>
*?
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Vāstra II 01-Jan-18 06:33 PM
Maybe. Hoenn (another concountry of mine) already has two monarchs, though.
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Deleted User 01-Jan-18 07:58 PM
Ah
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Yoshiman400 03-Jan-18 11:17 PM
OH NO >XD
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Vāstra II 04-Jan-18 02:53 AM
:3
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Vāstra II 07-Jan-18 09:45 PM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/268111083905089537/393593956669063168/daiaclimateprop.png Here have a climate map of Daia, courtesy of @Bijaro the Pallisican. [9:45 PM] Bijaro the Pallisican: Red/orange would be the tropics, Orange/Yellow would be arid, yellow/green = temperate, green/blue=continental, blue/purple=arctic
Now to figure out how to map this to Köppen climate classifications or something 😛
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Yoshiman400 08-Jan-18 08:14 PM
Huh, a lot more of Daia is arid than I suspected
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Vāstra II 08-Jan-18 09:00 PM
Something tells me they might more plausibly be subtropical?
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Yoshiman400 08-Jan-18 09:01 PM
Perhaps
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Deleted User 10-Jan-18 01:06 AM
Could be a mix, potentially? Depending on geography, which I sadly dunno
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Vāstra II 25-Jan-18 01:43 PM
@Yoshiman400 Added -ei as the animate elative case ("out of") suffix, -qa as inanimate, and -za as abstract
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Yoshiman400 26-Jan-18 07:45 PM
Oh?
So all safir who have a name based on their parentage, those names are all -ei now?
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:08 AM
Only if their given name is an animate noun
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:08 AM
oooooh
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:09 AM
Āirumāli has a two-axis noun class system, with feminine/neuter/masculine as one axis and animate/abstract/inanimate as the other
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:10 AM
Ohh
So examples given some characters we already have?
Kuya: .oO(Darn, that means I can't use "Kuyaza" as a nickname for Sapphira anymore...)
(Actually, maybe she can)
(Depending on if foreign names count as abstract by default =P)
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:23 AM
You there? Did you mute this server @Vāstra II ?
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:26 AM
I don't believe “kuja” is in the dictionary yet
Whence cometh “kuja” if it's not an Āirumāli word?
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:28 AM
No idea o.O
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:30 AM
O.o
…oh wait you're talking about “Sapphira”, nm
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:30 AM
Heh
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:30 AM
Novel given names would probably be animate
but that wouldn't affect the declension of “kuja”
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:31 AM
So she'd be "Kujaei/Kuyaei" if that were have been chosen?
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:32 AM
Only if “kuja” is an animate noun, since as I just said
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:32 AM
Oh right
I keep thinking the given name of the child XD
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Vāstra II 27-Jan-18 01:32 AM
and the elative form would actually be “kujei” if that's the case
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Yoshiman400 27-Jan-18 01:32 AM
Ah
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Vāstra II 03-Feb-18 12:08 PM
If anyone was wondering how the superluminal engines employed in nearly every safir starcraft works, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL_-1d9OSdk Doug Zongker gave a talk on the subject in 2007
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Vāstra II 23-Feb-18 04:47 PM
I need to come up with names for safir races/ethnic groups (which I've named "clades" before for no real reason)
Pinned a message.
I also need to chronicle the effects of safir colonization on Micras, and am kicking myself for not having thought about it when they still had a colony on Micras straight_face_safir (edited)
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KaliFyre 23-Feb-18 06:38 PM
Only one thing for it.
RECOLONIZE MICRAS
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Vāstra II 07-Mar-18 03:59 PM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 05:07 PM
[5:00 PM] Belledin (Inquisitor): @Mira O-A (Steward) The length of the Daian year is 552.91 local days — should I have a handful of leap days every few years or a leap month twice in 101 years? [5:01 PM] Belledin (Inquisitor): Considering that safir live for 400-450 (presumably local) years I'm leaning toward the latter, but I'm not sure if it's easier to factor into date calculation with
@Shyriath I don't suppose you could help me out with this? @KaliFyre Or you?
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KaliFyre 11-Mar-18 05:08 PM
Leap month with massive festival. 😉
Also had an idea for that economy,
Each state plans their own economy with linked respect to other states. 😛
It's been made easier in recent years by the advent of AI.
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 05:11 PM
Perhaps the folkish explanation could be a comet or something that's visible from Daia every 50.5 local years, and the extra month is named after the comet (edited)
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KaliFyre 11-Mar-18 05:13 PM
Perfect!
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 05:14 PM
grin_safir
Now to figure out how to translate between real time and the Daian calendar, nevermind mnal time and the Daian calendar
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KaliFyre 11-Mar-18 05:14 PM
XD
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Shyriath 11-Mar-18 11:29 PM
wanders in, sees that a reasonable idea has already been arrived at, and relaxes, job well done.
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 11:32 PM
@Shyriath wave_safir
But do you have any ideas? stick_out_tongue_loroi
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Shyriath 11-Mar-18 11:37 PM
It's one of those things that doesn't really have a best answer, so long as it works for the safir. About the only question I would raise is: have the safir always lived that long? If they did, then their calendar can use whatever options their lifespans make likely. If they didn't, then it raises a question of whether their calendar dates from a time when they didn't and what would've been more likely to make sense for them then (like a calendar with a few leap days every year).
Strictly speaking, the days and the years don't have to be directly related at all, and you could do a thing where they're each the basis of a sort of independent calendar, where the combination of both tells you the date.
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 11:39 PM
I meant more in general for the Alliance, but that is a good line of questioning. However, the safir have had this lifespan for as long as their records go back.
(And yeah, I do want to put together something like that for another culture on Daia.)
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Shyriath 11-Mar-18 11:43 PM
Keep in mind, I am only erratically familiar with the situation - the few things I've managed to pick up since joining the server, and the few things I remember from Safiria-related business in the micronational days. And for all I know, the latter stuff that I do know is all out of date anyways. wink_safir
The Alliance I have not yet learned about.
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 11:51 PM
Ah stick_out_tongue_loroi
The Safir Alliance is a supraplanetary governmental organization, of which the Queendom of Firneramnen (known to Micrans itself as Safiria) is the most politically influential member state.
Basically, SA : Firn :: EU : Germany stick_out_tongue_loroi (edited)
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Shyriath 11-Mar-18 11:53 PM
How many planets are involved?
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Tatsu BOT 11-Mar-18 11:53 PM
🆙 | Shyriath leveled up!
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 11:54 PM
A lot, I haven't yet enumerated them
also clap_safir
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Shyriath 11-Mar-18 11:55 PM
has never quite gotten used to the idea of leveling up just for talking. (edited)
So there would also be some justification for "local" calendars as well, assuming they had significantly different rotation and orbital characteristics from Daia.
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Vāstra II 11-Mar-18 11:57 PM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 12-Mar-18 12:24 AM
contemplates native sports
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Vāstra II 05-Apr-18 06:25 AM
The classes I'm taking this fall: ENC1102 = English II LIT2000 = Literature and Culture MAC2311C = Calculus I PHY2048C = Physics with Calculus I
[6:21 AM] [NA] Hālian: A more MIT-like system is more or less standard in Firneramnen; for example, at Aňira State University, they'd be 3M.218, 4Y.22A, 1D.206, and 2Š.30B [6:24 AM] [NA] Hālian: The first character is the Programme Identifier; 1 = math, 2 = pure sciences, 3 = languages, 4 = liberal arts, 5 = applied sciences, 6 = vocational sciences, etc. The second character is the Track Identifier, usually the first letter of the track's full name. The third character is the Year Identifier; years 0 and 1 are lower division, 2 and 3 upper division, 4-6 neophyte postgraduate (Adepta degree programs), 7-B continuing postgraduate (doctorate/etc). The fourth and fifth characters identify the particular course, with some tracks using the fourth character for an extra level of categorization.
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KaliFyre 05-Apr-18 06:27 AM
I was about to prod you to post over here. XD (edited)
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Vāstra II 05-Apr-18 06:27 AM
You don't need to worry about me, I got ESPN.
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Vāstra II 20-Apr-18 09:51 PM
Perhaps the current division of Firneramnen into 25 states is relatively novel; before that, there were… I dunno, 29 first-tier subdivisions (not "regions", too on the nose; perhaps "presidencies") (oh and Vanāria wasn't part of Firn yet; its joining involves an Oklahoma-style land rush) divided into hundreds of provinces.
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Yoshiman400 20-Apr-18 09:52 PM
Heh
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Vāstra II 20-Apr-18 09:52 PM
…Well, almost; Qalani and Aňira are both presidency-level provinces divided into province-level wards or similar.
Towards the end of this system's lifespan, but otherwise unrelated, were Exercises Viper and Wraith, in which pan-Alliance expeditionaires aided the Firneramnese Army and local militias in pushing back a Mesmer offensive in the naga homeland of Vessāra
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Vāstra II 05-May-18 07:20 PM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 08-May-18 12:45 PM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 14-May-18 01:17 AM
Photojournalism was well established by the XXIV c. AI.
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KaliFyre 14-May-18 01:32 AM
Photojournalism?
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Vāstra II 14-May-18 01:39 AM
Yeah
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KaliFyre 14-May-18 01:46 AM
More asking what it was... (edited)
Wait.
Photos in the news?
XXIV century?
Now I'm wondering how far behind/ahead the Safir Alliance is.
I'm sure the psychic factor had something to do with it but still.
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Vāstra II 14-May-18 06:25 AM
Their calendar is on the XLVIII century, also they were around for a million years before that
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KaliFyre 14-May-18 06:43 AM
Oh, true.
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Vāstra II 18-May-18 05:23 PM
1 Daian year = 1.250 Terran years 1 Micran year = 1.780 Terran years 1 Micran year = 1.424 Daian years
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Vāstra II 18-May-18 05:52 PM
The age of majority in Firn is 16 local years, which is 20 in Terran years, which is 22.784 in Micran years
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Vāstra II 19-May-18 09:19 PM
[i]Her Majesty[/i] Queen [b]Áþamé Issèla Mari Vāstra[/b] of Firneramnen, Queen of Aňira, Archduchess of Althai, Grand Duchess of Vatemar, Princess of Shireroth, Lady of Kin'uyama and of Senkyōwan, Landgravine of the Vessāra Forest, Castellaness of the Bloodless Palace, Maid of Angarae, Grand Mistress of the Order of Itrāei, Lady of the Night Sky Too much? stick_out_tongue_safir
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Yoshiman400 19-May-18 09:19 PM
o.o
Maaaaaaaaybe? XP
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Vāstra II 19-May-18 09:20 PM
Juan Carlos I of Spain has received numerous decorations and honorary appointments as monarch of Spain. Spanish monarchical Titles or Style are listed in order of degrees of sovereignty, nobility, and honour.
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KaliFyre 20-May-18 08:50 AM
In Part 1 of this series we looked at what protocol humanity has in place for first contact with extraterrestrial intelligent life. In Part 2 we'll explore t...
I also recommend part 1
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Vāstra II 20-May-18 02:46 PM
Huh (edited)
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:20 PM
@KaliFyre No grin_safir
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:21 PM
We can do it in both thanks to copypaste!
[12:16] Halian: contemplates dragon racing [12:16] NexxusDrako: Ooh [12:16] NexxusDrako: Wyrm racing would be a thing, but of course the Wyrms would have to agree to it. XD [12:17] Halian: Same with Daian dragons [12:17] NexxusDrako: Yeah [12:17] NexxusDrako: It'd be akin to boxing's title/challenger system. [12:17] Halian: also wonders what sort of uniform a dragon soldier would wear [12:17] NexxusDrako: 2 racers at a time in a sort of drag race, with or without corners.(edited) [12:17] Halian: I imagined Daian dragon racing as similar to yacht racing in setup [12:17] NexxusDrako: Hmmm [12:17] Halian: maybe with a hint of Red Bull Air Race [12:18] NexxusDrako: Yeah, I mean, there are two systems in GWA [12:18] NexxusDrako: Sprint and Endurance. [12:18] NexxusDrako: Sprint is time trial on a certain course. [12:18] NexxusDrako: Endurance is long 1000km+ races from point to point with 1000s of racers at a time. [12:19] NexxusDrako: Start point, end point, get there however the fuck you want.
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:21 PM
Daian dragon racing has sprints (usually around 50 km) and enduros (hundreds or thousands of km, but with several intermediate checkpoints)
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:23 PM
Hmmm
Makes sense
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:24 PM
The latter is varying parts yacht racing, Tour de France, and Red Bull Air Race
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:24 PM
True
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:24 PM
o.o
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:25 PM
@Yoshiman400 thoughts?
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:26 PM
I'd be more inclined to think of the sprint format over the endurance format, then again I dunno what kind of aerial endurance they have XD
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:27 PM
Presumably plenty
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:31 PM
Hrm, then it may be possible
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:32 PM
I'm more worried with trying to figure out how a creature the size of a blue whale gets off the ground in the first place ;'w'
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Yoshiman400 21-May-18 10:32 PM
XD
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KaliFyre 21-May-18 10:40 PM
According to all known laws of aviation, a Safirian dragon should not be able to fly. That is why they scream "FUCK DA RULES, WE HAVE MAGIC" and fly anyway, because Safirian dragons aren't bound by the law as they're MAGIC. 😛 (edited)
In all seriousness, I thought we had it handwaved to magic anyway? XD
Or at least telekinesis or something. XD
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Vāstra II 21-May-18 10:42 PM
If necessary
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Vāstra II 26-May-18 02:06 AM
Safir and nagas are literate; dreamweavers and dragons aren't; angels are on the fence
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KaliFyre 26-May-18 05:07 AM
I headcanoned that dragons have a sort of proto-written language in the form of marking grass or sand. (edited)
It'd be very rudimentary and only a phew phrases would exist, but it'd definitely be a thing.
might just do that for Wyrms. (edited)
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Vāstra II 27-May-18 05:41 AM
I wonder how fast angels fly and what side they sleep on
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Yoshiman400 27-May-18 11:45 PM
I get the first one but why the second 😛
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Vāstra II 27-May-18 11:53 PM
Because of their wings and (⅚ of the time) their breasts
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Yoshiman400 27-May-18 11:54 PM
Hrm, I suppose so
But I doubt it's unanimous regardless of biological sex
or within the same sex
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Vāstra II 30-May-18 03:05 AM
The Queendom of Firneramnen is a federal consensus democracy under an absolute monarchy, which monarch succeeds through female-preference seniority. Elements of the old psiocracy are still present, however, formally or otherwise. Up until about a thousand years ago, Firneramnen used enatic ultimogeniture, and there's still debate every hundred years or so about thereto reverting. (edited)
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KaliFyre 30-May-18 04:37 AM
What's the difference between seniority and primogeniture?
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Vāstra II 30-May-18 09:24 AM
Under female-preference seniority, the eldest sister succeeds; under enatic primogeniture, the eldest daughter succeeds; under enatic ultimogeniture, the youngest daughter succeeds
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KaliFyre 30-May-18 07:03 PM
Ahh
What happens if we run out of sisters?
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Vāstra II 31-May-18 01:00 AM
Then the eldest daughter, I think
Or eldest brother if there is one
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KaliFyre 31-May-18 01:08 AM
Eldest daughter of the eldest sister or eldest daughter of the current monarch? (edited)
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Vāstra II 31-May-18 03:04 AM
Of the current monarch
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KaliFyre 31-May-18 10:22 PM
Ok
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-18 07:58 AM
What I think a safir traffic light looks like
The logic is that blue replaces red since that's the color of safir blood, so they'd react as viscerally to it as we do to red. Yellow replaces green because orange is across the color wheel from blue, and yellow is easier to make with LEDs. Green replaces yellow since it's between yellow and blue.
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Blade Skydancer 05-Jun-18 12:48 PM
...
Aren't they blue-skinned?
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-18 04:05 PM
They are.
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Blade Skydancer 05-Jun-18 07:21 PM
Then, maybe blue isn't the best color for their blood.
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-18 09:27 PM
I don't follow. Wouldn't a blue-blooded humanoid have blue skin?
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Yoshiman400 05-Jun-18 09:31 PM
Skin isn't entirely transparent but I do think there are circumstances where the dilation of blood vessels makes the skin appear more red? >.<
Skin and blood are both "earthy", warm colors, it's not like they're complementary to each other on a color wheel
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Blade Skydancer 05-Jun-18 09:35 PM
No.
Skin gets a little bit of color from blood vessels underneath, yes, but it's mostly the skin itself, specifically the pigments within it. Black people are black because of the pigment melanin being very prevalent in their skin, for instance.
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Yoshiman400 05-Jun-18 09:36 PM
Yeah
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Blade Skydancer 05-Jun-18 09:36 PM
So, for safir, if they have blue blood, their skin would tinge blue when flushed but other than that, it'd be a different color.
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Vāstra II 05-Jun-18 09:40 PM
Safir skin is light blue and tinges darker blue when flushed.
Āirumāli has separate words for light as dark blue; the archetypal shades thereof are safir skin and blood.
There do exist a set of pigments that if present darken the skin. (edited)
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Shyriath 06-Jun-18 10:34 AM
Are there midnight-blue safir, then?
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Tatsu BOT 06-Jun-18 10:34 AM
🆙 | Shyriath leveled up!
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Vāstra II 06-Jun-18 11:10 AM
Very likely so!
also clap_safir
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Vāstra II 10-Jun-18 04:08 AM
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KaliFyre 10-Jun-18 09:08 PM
Oooh!
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Vāstra II 10-Jun-18 09:40 PM
smile_safir
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 07:18 AM
contemplates a form of group monarchy wherein an early queen left the lands of her country to each of her daughters collectively, and the direct female-line descendant of each rules collectively with the others
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Blade Skydancer 11-Jun-18 11:45 AM
So what Charlemagne did except it actually worked.
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 02:04 PM
Yeah
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Shyriath 11-Jun-18 02:10 PM
Well, Charlemagne actually divided up his empire, so even though there was an emperor he didn't have direct rule over the whole empire. This sounds more collegial.
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 02:16 PM
It is
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 04:44 PM
Part 1. General principles Article 1 Henceforth be the whole of this continent that is our exalted homeland joined in perpetuum and to be known by the same name: which joining be not but by the will of the Goddesses reversed or sundered, in whole or in part, but that Their wo...
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 05:43 PM
(I also need a better name for Firneramnese religion than "Sevenfold Path", but can't think of one, blargg)
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 06:37 PM
[6:35 PM] Hālian: Ilāþnārari “those shone upon”; ilāþri “angel; she who shines with Āmāne's light”(edited) [6:36 PM] Hālian: ("ilāþnārari" is the receptor verbal noun of ilāþ "to shine", and ilāþri a shortened form of the actor verbal noun)
whence Ilathnarism in English
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 07:59 PM
So you have a new name for the faith?
I'm barely a couple of points into this and all I'm thinking is Naga Nation: "B**** PLEASE!" :]=
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:00 PM
Yeah
XD How so?
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:01 PM
The first several points all being about their land bound to their faith XD
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:01 PM
True XD
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:02 PM
Although it was probably written in a much more antiquated time, suspect to questionability over passage thereof
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:02 PM
Probably
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:03 PM
Same as with respect to a matriarchal-based monarchy XD (edited)
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:04 PM
Safir are usually matriarchal, though
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:04 PM
True, albeit I'm being slightly silly
"innumberable" -> "innumerable"?
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:05 PM
Good spelling was not among the Great Ancestrix' gifts 😅
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:05 PM
LOL
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:06 PM
tries to think of a name for the legislature
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:11 PM
Also "Parlement" -> "Parliament"
"whomsoever" -> "whomever"?
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Vāstra II 11-Jun-18 08:13 PM
Parlement is an alternate spelling, and whomsoever is the accusative form of whosoever
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Yoshiman400 11-Jun-18 08:13 PM
Ah
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Vāstra II 12-Jun-18 05:34 AM
Pinned a message.
@KaliFyre I don't see how that's relevant to worldbuilding here? O.o
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KaliFyre 12-Jun-18 05:35 AM
Wrong server XD (edited)
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Vāstra II 12-Jun-18 05:35 AM
Ok
solicits thoughts on the first five parts of the constitution?
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KaliFyre 12-Jun-18 05:35 AM
Haven't read it.
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Vāstra II 12-Jun-18 05:35 AM
Ok
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KaliFyre 12-Jun-18 05:35 AM
Will do later (edited)
thumbs_up_safir 1
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Vāstra II 14-Jun-18 10:58 AM
@Shyriath wave_safir
I'm currently in a quandary: namely what the point is of all but the newest Firneramnese universities other than awarding (Terran-style degrees).
Of course, because I'm trying to think about it, the ideas are gone. grin_safir
Help restarting the idea creator?
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Shyriath 14-Jun-18 11:09 AM
Other than positing a possible religious function, given what seems to be a heavy slant of the constitution in the direction of religion, I lack context for the question. :P
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Vāstra II 14-Jun-18 11:10 AM
It doesn't make sense to me that any but the newest of universities in Firn would be set up similarly to Terran universities, or award degrees like their Terran counterparts (recall that "modern history", i.e. the Queendom of Firneramnen, stretches back ~6000 Earth years).
But of course I cannot think of an alternative when I want to.
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Shyriath 14-Jun-18 12:57 PM
That is a tough one. It would probably depend in part on what kind of institutions they started off as.
Might not be a bad idea, too, to see how non-Western traditions of higher learning handled it before they switched to Western models. I imagine at least China and India would yield some examples.
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KaliFyre 14-Jun-18 05:57 PM
I daresay they would have functioned as research institutes and meeting places for the scholars, also functioning as libraries and such
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Vāstra II 14-Jun-18 06:04 PM
nods (edited)
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Vāstra II 16-Jun-18 03:46 AM
I think Firn would have jails but no prisons. Related idea: jail for minimal security risks in Firneramnen being phased out in favor of house arrest.
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Yoshiman400 16-Jun-18 11:02 PM
has recently wondered if safir tend to shy away from "familial" holidays such as Mother's/Father's Day due to their extensive lifespans and polyamorous lifestyles
Not just polyamorous but also often non-hetero for that matter due to biological imbalance
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Vāstra II 16-Jun-18 11:04 PM
Hmm
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Yoshiman400 16-Jun-18 11:04 PM
(The idea being that due to the above factors, they're less of a family-centered species than humans are, perhaps aside from couples or rings which have a large profile of reproduction)
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Vāstra II 16-Jun-18 11:04 PM
(yeah)
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Yoshiman400 16-Jun-18 11:05 PM
(Mishral: "No seriously, one card all signed by each of you would have sufficed..." ;;;>w>)
(AHEM)
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Vāstra II 16-Jun-18 11:08 PM
(XD)
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-18 03:30 AM
Today I realized that the safir making first contact in 1799 means video recordings of every president, and of every sitting president since John Adams
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KaliFyre 19-Jun-18 04:53 AM
Damn
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Yoshiman400 19-Jun-18 07:32 PM
Uhhh, Washington died in 1799, so depending on how quietly he lived his past few years, maybe not him
IIRC he did die at Mt. Vernon but depending on how much privacy he wanted/his family requested
And I imagine the family may not have welcomed such technology for his funeral either
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-18 10:02 PM
December 14, 1799, so he would at least have lived to see first contact
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Yoshiman400 19-Jun-18 10:03 PM
Any reason why you chose 1799?
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-18 10:08 PM
I don't remember 😦
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Yoshiman400 19-Jun-18 10:08 PM
Ah, issok
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Shyriath 19-Jun-18 10:09 PM
They wanted to party like it's 1799.
shows himself out.
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-18 10:11 PM
blocks the door :(
also wave_safir
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Yoshiman400 19-Jun-18 10:11 PM
XD
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Shyriath 19-Jun-18 10:12 PM
wave_safir
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-18 10:14 PM
Of course one wonders: if he stayed inside on December 12th instead of inspecting his land in the snow, hail, and freezing rain, would he have lasted longer?
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Shyriath 19-Jun-18 10:15 PM
(And maybe he could've stayed inside because he was meeting a safir delegation)
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Vāstra II 19-Jun-18 10:15 PM
(Heh maybe)
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Vāstra II 25-Jun-18 08:33 PM
Ilathnarari or Ilathnarism (from the Classical Āirumāli for “s.o. shone upon [by the Holy Light]”), the main religion among the safir of the planet Daia, recognizes fourteen gods: Enāra, goddess of the sun; Valora, goddess of the sea; Erina, goddess of the shadows and of discord; Aume, the goddess of dreams and of unconscious thought; Kieri, the goddess of nature; Kaēna, the goddess of knowledge, wisdom, psionics, and magick; Amahira, the goddess of retribution, war, and subterfuge; Tarin, the azhar deity of poisons and disasters; Vāla, the goddess of love, fertility, and the harvest; Sila, the goddess of death and reincarnation; Mismar, the azhar deity of music, the arts, and healing; Anzu, the god of justice; Palařó, the god of time, fate, and the male condition; and Āmāne, the queen of heaven. (edited)
The gods are usually depicted with either six or eight angelic wings, which are black in Erina's case, gold in Āmāne's case, and white otherwise. Some sects worship Mismar simply as a muse and Tarin as a deity of duality, attributing to ver what is orthodoxically Mismar's domain over healing, as well as a novel domain over azhar in general. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 29-Jun-18 07:51 PM
So Vala's not a herm anymore? 😛
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Vāstra II 29-Jun-18 08:00 PM
Some sects worship an azhar Vāla, but orthodox doctrine is that She is purely female. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 29-Jun-18 08:00 PM
Oh
Alrighty
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Vāstra II 30-Jun-18 04:38 PM
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Vāstra II 30-Jun-18 09:03 PM
Thoughts? Anyone?
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KaliFyre 30-Jun-18 11:59 PM
Haven't read at magic
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Vāstra II 01-Jul-18 12:23 AM
Ah
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KaliFyre 01-Jul-18 01:37 AM
Some good points are raised there.
IMO, I would definitely consider a retcon at some stage to change the age of maturity.. (edited)
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And I will now proceed to make said changes to the Wyrmfolk.
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Vāstra II 15-Jul-18 04:29 PM
Safir researchers do not yet know for certain how psionic powers — especially telepathy — work. From brain scans of safir and other species psionic and otherwise, they know that some structure exists in the brain that is responsible for psionic ability, and theorize, based on studies into the underlying mechanism of telekinesis, that higher spatial dimensions (and potentailly hyperspace, if I end up canonizing a form of superluminal starcraft drive that requires it to function) may also be used in the process. Further research into the subject isn't taboo, but instead more or less in brick-wall mode (though the metaphysical side may be more productive than the biological presently).
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Yoshiman400 15-Jul-18 04:29 PM
Oooooh
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Vāstra II 16-Jul-18 10:24 PM
A picture from one of Lagnāmvri's non-daiaformed moons, looking out at Lessa (fg) and Lagnāmvri itself (bg)
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Yoshiman400 16-Jul-18 10:25 PM
Arkanis: -w- *chills out in his spacesuit and looks up*
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Vāstra II 16-Jul-18 10:28 PM
^w^ *shares a vacuum-packed beer with him* (edited)
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Vāstra II 25-Jul-18 11:59 PM
is very tempted now to have ternary computing be the norm for safir
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Yoshiman400 25-Jul-18 11:59 PM
You would wouldn't you XD
(not to mention 3 | 12)
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:00 AM
Especially since, IIRC, I've mooted optical computers before
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:00 AM
The only problem is that your angel with a Digimon may now be flustered at its binary behavior =P
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:00 AM
Dark would be 0, and two orthogonal polarizations of light 1/2 or -/+ or whatever
LOL
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:14 AM
OMG SOMEBODY SAID DIGIMON WHAAAAAAAAATT
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:14 AM
Oh hai. :D
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:15 AM
Sorry I know I should be writing my rp response but DIGIMON That was basically my childhood. Everybody else was into Pokémon, and I wanted to be but didn’t have access, but I was able to watch Digimon, so that became my thing lol.
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:15 AM
Fine by me! :D (Although Pokemon is fine, just ask Vastra)
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:17 AM
Yoshiman literally goes by Digifanatic in Alden
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:17 AM
Yeah
It dates back to 2002 >w>
Yoshiman400 to be fair, dates back to 2003
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:17 AM
Eventually I got access to Pokémon stuff, but ultimately I’m one of the few who still largely prefers Digimon for a whole host of reasons, and it probably explains somewhat why I’m so much more solidly SF than fantasy. Or, I guess it’s chicken/egg scenario — Do I like SF b/c I was more influenced by Digimon rather than Pokémon, or do I like Digimon b/c I was always going to become a SF nerd?? Who knows. It’s an fun thing for me to try and analyze though, lol.
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:17 AM
I first used it as my GameFAQs message board account <:D
Digimon is like perfect scifi for a young person
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:18 AM
Season 3 / Tamers is straightup legit hardcore SF, and it gets surprisingly DEEP, mang! I mean, it’s barely a kids show, if you actually pay attention.
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:18 AM
Oh yeah
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:19 AM
It also has one of my favorite OPs https://youtu.be/Se-2l5A2wu4
The original opening of third season of Digimon, Digimon Tamers. In high Quality with no credits or text. Unedited in HD. Song: The Biggest Dreamer http://ww...
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:19 AM
UH YES
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:19 AM
I was never ever a gamer, and I think everybody can agree that the Pokémon anime show is rather... stupid... so that’s a big part of it for me, too. The thing people liked about Pokémon was mostly the games. I don’t do games, so most the appeal was lost on me.
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:19 AM
You should see his Poke-headcanon XD
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:20 AM
The Pokemon anime sucks, gib moar Origins or an animation of Special (edited)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:20 AM
Or just retire Satoshi as the One Lead Character after he wins the league in Hoenn 😛
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:20 AM
Maybe
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:20 AM
Hey, thats your headcanon :3
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:21 AM
True
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:21 AM
Then again
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:21 AM
I'd like to see one where Ash acaully ages and matures as he travels the world
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:21 AM
Your headcanon also involves Haruka with giant bazongas and Gardevoirs who are way too friendly
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:21 AM
And?
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:22 AM
Just me teasing
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:22 AM
oh hey~
BTW Jei, you suddenly noticed me mentioning Digimon in this channel and never saw before that my Discord avatar is a crop of Iori from 02 because I thought his facial expression was hilarious? :D (edited)
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:24 AM
Fun fact: Xzenor’s character was originally a total ripoff of Willis/Wallace from the movie (mixed with a kindof humanized version of his Terriermon), and Terriermon was legitimately my personal totem/mascot/secret-comfort-icon for YEARS. My self-appointed neon-green color theme (I basically chose that as my favorite color and now get everything in neon green if I can, and I don’t give a care that it’s not a good color on me or that everybody else gets bothered by it and wants me to diversify or pick more standard appealing colors lol) was derived from neon green which was because of Terriermon. I way waaaaaaaaaayyy over-identified with Willis in the movie, basically. I also totally crushed on him, but I didn’t realize that’s a big part of what it was, until later, when I came to recognize my crushes as such lol.
^ No, I totally identified that as a Digimon character IMMEDIATELY, but was too chicken to ask to confirm, cuz I’ve never really encountered other Digimon fans before.
Since childhood when it was popular and everybody liked it, anyways.
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:25 AM
(inb4 which movie)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:25 AM
XD issok
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:25 AM
(I didn’t recognize WHICH Digimon character or even note it as a specific character, just the style screamed DIGIMON to me)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:25 AM
(Hurricane Touchdown, the weird 02 movie that only kinda exists)
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:25 AM
(don't explain the joke)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:25 AM
(And really isn't acknowledged as canon cause it is weird)
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:26 AM
(also, SOON)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:26 AM
(:3)
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:26 AM
GO BACK
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:26 AM
Yup, that one
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:26 AM
suddenly Diaboromon plushies everywhere
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:26 AM
XD
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:28 AM
I admit I’m not a true fan, in that I never read manga, never WILL read manga, and I don’t do anime in general normally (again, not since childhood) / am one of those people that the otaku’s love to hate cuz I don’t like subs and usually only do stuff if it’s dubbed and then that’s what I know and I don’t really care how off it is from source cuz whatevs lol.
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:28 AM
frown_safir
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:29 AM
The dub isn't bad, I just don't care for the music XD
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:29 AM
So, while I do in fact know that The Digimon Movie was a bastardization of several movies, moshed together and poorly turned into one cohesive story... I like that bad mosh-up and it has huge significance to my life history and personal development lmao.
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:30 AM
It made me a legit BNL fan because you try to tell a girl your sorry and you're computer shuts you down. (edited)
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:30 AM
I need to rewatch the dub movie sometime
Maybe we can all watch it ~together~ X3
Action, BL, yuri, comedy, horror, indie manga, and way more!
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:32 AM
I will at the very least give you credit for identifying as a Terriermon instead of a Renamon. ;p
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:32 AM
Again, I related to Willis SO HARD — the whole concept of being SMARTER THAN ALL THE OTHER KIDS yet also having NO FRIENDS and therefore going as far as to TRY TO CREATE MORE FRIENDS FOR YOURSELF... 100% something I could relate to, and if I’d only been just a little bit smarter and actual prodigy, and only had some programming experience, I can almost guarantee I’d have tried the exact same thing 😆 The fact that Willis turned out to be a hott dude / totally my type (I’m almost always into the blonde guys, idk why), AND THE FIRST EVER OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED USAMERICAN DIGI-DESTINED only helped.
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
@Yoshiman400 also because ternary computers could use the extra digit as MAYBE In boolean operations, and as such fuzzy logic would probably be easier to implement
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
Hehehe
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
These are all good points.
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
(It was nice to finally have a Fellow American Digidestined, cuz it sorta verified that WE CAN GET DIGIMON TOO! WHOO!)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
(XD)
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
joins @Yoshiman400 in proceeding to confuse Jei by using the original Japanese terminology stick_out_tongue_safir (edited)
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
In your place I'd probably have crushed on Willis too. ;p
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:33 AM
(And not only do we get Digimon... when we get them... we get TWO!! 😂)
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:34 AM
(LOL)
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:37 AM
U-S-A!! U-S-A!!! Lol jk 😂 but srsly. Now you know Xzenor’s backstory lmao. He was originally a humanized Terriermon character (which was basically just Willis with green eyes and different clothes that were overly inspired by Xenosaga aesthetic, which I was really into at the time that’s also the inspiration for his name, if you couldn’t tell)... yeah I basically used to be just SO EGREGIOUSLY AWFUL at any and all things worldbuilding and character creation and was basically just a pitifully lonely tween lmao
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 12:37 AM
Kèna wanders in, lobs a terriermon plushie at Jei, then scurries away.
and speaking of RP <w<
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Yoshiman400 26-Jul-18 12:38 AM
*snrk*
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:38 AM
Zi used to be my imaginary filler bestfriend-boyfriend, I full on admit it. But now he’s more like a combo of that awful origin design, mixed with a lot of myself hahaha. Anyways yeah, ok, rp... holdon, gotta stop thinking about Digimon Movie and my life history...
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:39 AM
Heh. I'd definitely crush on a Terriermon version Willis. ;p
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:40 AM
Well, you guys are kinda furries/anthros, obviously. I am totally not, despite what Jeremy’s design would make it seem lol. I don’t judge you I promise (I have my own kink things, such as slash/yaoi/whatever) but yeah. I’ve just always been into blonde human dudes, that even transfers over irl now, and it’s...troublesome hahaha
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:42 AM
Well as a Terriermon, clearly you just need to find a blond human that is into anthros. ;p
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:56 AM
What? Terriermon was like my mascot, not a fursona lmao
Basically, it was the Digimon I’d decided I get. That is, until I got better at creating stuff, and as an adult finally created my own OC Digimon out of my favorite animals/colors/etc... though I never did pin down a name for it.
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:58 AM
Ahhh. Gotcha.
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Jeylien 26-Jul-18 12:58 AM
And now, that concept is getting recycled into xznvrs, so the whole Digimon naming system is moot. I can’t even call it a “Digimon”, cuz then that’ll get into copyright issues of course, if I ever manage to actually make anything of any of my stuff lol.
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 12:59 AM
On a side note, I did a search for 'anthro terriermon' to see what I'd come up with.
Is there a way for the png to not just auto-deploy?
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 01:00 AM
Put <angle brackets> around it
but then we don't get to see it stick_out_tongue_safir
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 01:01 AM
There.
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 01:01 AM
frown_safir
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 01:02 AM
You can still open the tab and look at teenage-Spike on your browser. ;p
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Vāstra II 26-Jul-18 01:02 AM
Yes but needless effort…
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Aellor 26-Jul-18 01:03 AM
... It is also occuring to me that this is no longer related at all to world building.
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KaliFyre 28-Jul-18 04:44 AM
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hmms about the evolution of colors in safir and other creatures
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 04:49 AM
Yoshiman linked a Vox video once a long while ago about the evolution of colors, I'll have to find it again, as well
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KaliFyre 28-Jul-18 04:49 AM
Indeed
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 04:49 AM
I do know that dark blue and red would have their roles reversed in safir, because blue blood
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KaliFyre 28-Jul-18 04:50 AM
Ineed
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Jeylien 28-Jul-18 01:55 PM
Lol, this reminds me once again how I need to face my fears and stop being lazy and take my main alien sophont species off the shelf. They’ve been stalled/conceptually stored away in stasis since 2011 or so, after I decided to give them alien blood that didn’t match any Earthly species’, and then got overwhelmed with the implications (mostly planetbuilding implications). I still haven’t figured out how to justify the prevalence of rare heavy elements enough for them to be used in blood. 😭
Oh crap, just realized this isn’t the channel or even server I thought it was 😅 Oops! I won’t talk about my stuff anymore, apologies.
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 03:17 PM
@Jeylien How does their blood work?
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Jeylien 28-Jul-18 03:30 PM
Copied from my years-old incomplete note-to-self regarding the Ambassador aliens: coboglobin + iridium-complex pigmented blood--> yellow when unoxygenated, peach/pinkish-orange when oxygenated. Coboglobin has to be recycled continuously due to hours-long lifespan, and irridium has to be shielded from light to keep from decay--> tinted opaque blood vessels and skin, high metabolism to facilitate blood turnover. I’m not sure if the proteins are in specialized cells like we have with erythrocytes, or if they’re free-floating in solution, or some mix of both (probably both— I believe at least one of the compounds is soluble so one of the pigments is probably sequestered into specialized cells while the other is dissolved in the plasma itself).
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 03:31 PM
Huh
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Jeylien 28-Jul-18 03:34 PM
Anyways thanks for asking but sorry I derailed this channel with my completely irrelevant stuff haha (edited)
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 04:13 PM
No, you didn't grin_safir
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KaliFyre 28-Jul-18 08:53 PM
hmms, considers psionics being vegetarian due to being able to experience animal thoughts and minds, a la Inheritance Cycle (edited)
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Vāstra II 28-Jul-18 10:18 PM
Hmmmm
I've said before numerous times that safir experience some sort of empathic backlash when a non-mindless creature dies nearby, but haven't explored further than that
also, *psions
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Jeylien 28-Jul-18 11:22 PM
Hehe, I keep misreading “psions” as “prions”.. 😖
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Vāstra II 29-Jul-18 12:09 AM
o.O
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Vāstra II 30-Jul-18 06:47 AM
@Shyriath Would you be amenable to helping flesh out the planet Daia outside of Firneramnen, and making a Gloria Mundi-style map of that planet?
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Shyriath 30-Jul-18 06:52 AM
@Vāstra II I don't know if it would be wise for me to make promises, particularly in regards to timeframes, but I could give it a try.
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Vāstra II 30-Jul-18 06:53 AM
smile_safir
So far here's what I know is on the planet: • Firneramnen (western subcontinent) - Mechanicsburg and… a few other port towns opposite the Bay of Tribes from the mainland - A few islands S of the mainland • Atoskherakh (N of Firneramnen) • A vaguely-*nesian patriarchal culture in the islands N of the Continent • Elsendo (islands SE of the Continent) • Idhal (some islands E of Continent) • Aran State (circle around Daia's highest peak, east-central mainland) There will soon follow a map with these lands highlighted (edited)
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Shyriath 30-Jul-18 07:01 AM
Ok.
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Vāstra II 30-Jul-18 10:54 AM
@Shyriath Here's the map. Country colors: • Blue: Firneramnen • Red: Aran State • Yellow: Elsendo • Purple: A vaguely-*nesian patriarchal culture • Orange: Idhal • Dark green: Atoskherakh • Everything else: Elevation gradients The SVG has several layers, which are presently turned on (except for two) and locked.
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Yoshiman400 30-Jul-18 09:02 PM
What's the best way to actually view this file without it being ridiculously zoomed in >w<
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Vāstra II 30-Jul-18 09:03 PM
O_o
Open it in Inkscape and hit 5?
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Yoshiman400 30-Jul-18 09:04 PM
With Firefox I can only zoom it out to 30%
and Chrome 25%
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Yoshiman400 30-Jul-18 09:30 PM
Now that I downloaded Inkscape, nice map!
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Vāstra II 30-Jul-18 09:31 PM
Thanks 😊
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 01:19 PM
Here, from the earlier discussion on safir / alien blood; this is the first/main/best resource I had, is definitely applicable to you too (it has graphs! Compares oxygen-carrying capacity of hemoglobin to hemocyanin!) http://www.xenology.info/Xeno/10.4.htm
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 07:57 PM
[7:55 PM] Vāstra II: (Note: The site JeiLooseArrow linked to is more popularly known as Atomic Rockets.) [7:55 PM] JeiLooseArrow: (Oh weird lol I’ve always seen it referenced as Project Rho, and that is really its name)
@Jeylien All discussion of resources posted in #general-resources is to be directed to #alliance-worldbuilding.
(edited)
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 08:10 PM
@Jeylien If I recall correctly, oxygen is more abundant in Daia's atmosphere than Earth's; the safir could also be using an exotic form of hemocyanin that's carried in blue blood cells instead of free-floating in the hemolymph like Terran insects, etc.
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 08:17 PM
Yeah there’s things that can be done, it’s just interesting to see this stuff compared. And you don’t need to worry about it much anyways— most people aren’t as picky about this sorta stuff as I can get sometimes (and I’m no expert anyways). The goal of the safir alliance isn’t to explore alien alt biochem to hardSF pedantic accuracy, so it’s not much concern 🙂
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 08:18 PM
The iridium complex does seem interesting, though
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 08:36 PM
Yeah the problem with that is darned iridium! Lol
Quick question: can safir get drunk? (I’d assume so—presumably every species has some chemicals or another that can cause similar effects to alcohol in humans— but then which precisely are these for safir?)
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 08:41 PM
Yes; so far, ethanol is the only one known. However, being naturally psionic, it's obviously a bad idea to get a safir drunk.
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 08:42 PM
Oooh 😈 how so?
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 08:43 PM
Alcohol reduces inhibitions & impairs judgment (edited)
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 08:47 PM
Well yeah... so why would it be any worse on psions than mundanes?
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Yoshiman400 01-Aug-18 08:48 PM
Because telekinesis, pyrokinesis, cryokinesis, etc~
They'll just f your crap up faster than Edward Scissorhands with dull blades
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Jeylien 01-Aug-18 08:49 PM
Wild. Party. YES ! Omg pls this must happen at some point in rp now 😈
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 09:12 PM
;o___o
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Shyriath 01-Aug-18 11:49 PM
@Vāstra II Map update: CorelDraw appears determined to have problems with the SVG, and I have not yet ascertained why. Please stand by. stick_out_tongue_safir
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 11:50 PM
frown_safir
What happens when you try to open it in Inkscape?
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Shyriath 01-Aug-18 11:54 PM
It looks a lot more like I would expect. In CorelDraw, by contrast, though it will OPEN the file, a lot of the stuff in Firneramnen doesn't display correctly.
Internal borders in particular are seriously effed up.
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 11:55 PM
Hrm
has never used CorelDraw, unfortunately
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Shyriath 01-Aug-18 11:57 PM
There's also what appears to be a separate topographical map of Firneramnen that is off by itself near the southwestern corner and is similarly effed up.
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Vāstra II 01-Aug-18 11:57 PM
Wat
Try this?
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:00 AM
I'm pretty sure that's what it is, since it has an elevation legend and everything, but not only is it badly out of position and effed up in color, it's also at a different scale than the Firneramnen actually sitting in the right spot.
gives that a try.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:01 AM
meanwhile adds another layer with Classical Āirumāli placenames (edited)
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:03 AM
Hmmmm. Okay, THAT looks a bit more promising. I didn't have the same font you used, so it had to use a replacement, but otherwise everything looks a lot more like in Inkscape.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:04 AM
OK
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:04 AM
It completely deleted all the layers, so now it's just a collection of objects, but that's a minor problem by comparison.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:06 AM
Fug
Here's the version with CA placenames; the font is IBM Plex Sans
There's also a river that's defined to exist but isn't on the map: the Vātemar, which starts in northern Ivessia, runs through Mineme (yay bonus erratum!), and forms the entirety of the border between Aňira and Małena
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:21 AM
Is the CA one the one I should use? I suspect that any invisible layers are just getting removed by the time CorelDraw gets them, so only one set of names is available when I open each EPS file.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:25 AM
Hrm
It's your choice. If it doesn't take much extra effort to produce one map with CA placenames in Firn and the other with MA placenames, then extra bonus. stick_out_tongue_safir (edited)
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:29 AM
If I'm lucky, I might be able to straight copypaste the text from one into the other. If not, what happens depends on how energetic I'm feeling when I buckle down to work on it.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:32 AM
Import?
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:35 AM
Possibly, but I'd have to import the whole other file, and then I'd have duplicates of everything that wasn't text. Without layers, that in itself might get frustrating to deal with.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:36 AM
:/
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:42 AM
But now I'm in a place where I know that most of it, at least, won't be trying to recreate things manually, so this is good. Hopefully by tomorrow my brain will be working again and I can wiggle forward, between this and my Avishraa scribblings.
For I have created a second religion and wish to establish more of the basics of it.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:47 AM
Ooo
I need to work on my first one >w< (edited)
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:49 AM
(Make one centered around a giant frog)
(Because reasons)
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:49 AM
(Is that a motherfucking Homestuck reference? :D)
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:50 AM
It was just me being weird, actually. Is there a giant frog religion in Homestuck?
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:50 AM
IIRC, frogs figure heavily into the plot of the game-within-a-webcomic.
Frogs are animals that are extremely important to Sburb. A giant frog, Bilious Slick, is depicted at the top of the Frog Temple, and many others are depicted in hieroglyphics in ruins. In [S...
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Tatsu BOT 02-Aug-18 12:51 AM
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:52 AM
Huh. Neat.
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Tatsu BOT 02-Aug-18 12:52 AM
🆙 | Shyriath leveled up!
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Shyriath 02-Aug-18 12:53 AM
I know a tiny, tiny bit about Homestuck, but I never felt able to get very far into it.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 12:53 AM
Ah
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Aellor 02-Aug-18 01:16 AM
I read the whole damn thing and can be considered a knowledgable source. >.>
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 01:23 AM
>:]
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Jeylien 02-Aug-18 01:33 AM
I used to consider myself good friends with a guy who was a Homestuck fan. He got into writing fanfic of it with friends, took time&attention away from his own worldbuilding, even shifted the feel of his worlds, which I’d been into and trying too hard to contribute to, so it all exploded eventually. Our 3yr friendship revealed itself to be a one-sided sham and ended dramatically like all my friendships inevitably seem to. But...it’s left me rather strongly biased against Homestuck. Thankfully I got the sense it wasn’t my style or something I could like anyways, even before it gained these negative associations... but yeah. /cringe a little/ 😖
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 01:33 AM
😦 hugs
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Jeylien 02-Aug-18 01:34 AM
Haha thanks, it’s ok. Just it does make me cringe a smidge 😆
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Aellor 02-Aug-18 01:39 AM
Eeesh... drama. :/
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Jeylien 02-Aug-18 01:53 AM
Yeah, my past has been lots of dramatic. I can be big drama. I just hope I’m improving, even if it is slowly and minimal/behind average. Honestly, having Discord and these groups has markedly helped— even if these connections are mostly superficial even despite my best efforts, it’s still more than I had before. I’m not so alone and have more people to spread myself out, so even when there is emotion and drama, it’s not concentrated on one or two poor souls, it’s dilute so I don’t drain others so terribly. This I don’t lose them. Leading to less drama. Positive feedback loop. (edited)
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Aellor 02-Aug-18 02:24 AM
Handy. But yeah drama isn't too problematic if it stays in the past.
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KaliFyre 02-Aug-18 02:55 AM
Trust me, I used to have a thing called the year and a half hate, where drama would happen in a friend group one and a half years into the good times and fucking ruin everything. Hasn't happened since 2014 tho thank fuck.
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Yoshiman400 02-Aug-18 07:49 PM
@Vāstra II How do I view an .eps?
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 07:53 PM
Inkscape should be able to import it, but just use the .svg
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Yoshiman400 02-Aug-18 07:54 PM
I wanted to see the CA version :D
Yeah, Inkscape isn't letting me load the .eps
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Yoshiman400 02-Aug-18 08:19 PM
Oh, I thought you were typing them with CA characters XD
Not a romanization
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Aellor 02-Aug-18 08:58 PM
misread that as 'how do I view an esp' and my instinctual reply was 'psychicly'.
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Vāstra II 02-Aug-18 11:07 PM
Lol
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Vāstra II 06-Aug-18 05:38 AM
[5:37 AM] Hālian: I need to figure out what the hell computers in my conworld the Safir Alliance are like Reminder to self:
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Vāstra II 06-Aug-18 06:42 AM
Pinned a message.
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Shyriath 06-Aug-18 11:49 PM
@Vāstra II Map status update: I've separated everything out into layers again. I've gotten CA and MA labels into the same file. Two questions before proceeding:
1. Atoskherakh's shape seems to avoid the coasts. Is that intentional, or was the country a rough sketch when the file was made?
2. Regarding the Vātemar River: How far north in Ivessia does it start? The nearly piched-off piece sandwiched between Małena and Katōren, or in the north of the main body of Ivessia due south of Katōren?
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Vāstra II 07-Aug-18 12:18 AM
1. It's a rough sketch. 2. The main body.
@Shyriath
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Shyriath 07-Aug-18 12:19 AM
Thank you.
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Shyriath 08-Aug-18 04:28 PM
@Vāstra II Further updates: The Vātemar has been added. Atoskherakh's shape has been altered to something a lot closer to what I gather it's supposed to be. All countries are now represented by Gloria-Mundi-style white interiors with colored contour edges. Firn's internal boundaries are now represented by Gloria-Mundi-style lines matching the color of the edges. Probably going to tinker with labels next.
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 05:12 PM
Yaaaay raised_hands_safir
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 05:20 PM
One idea I've had for transport is a series of bridges and tunnels across the Vātemar carrying various roads/train tracks/etc into and/or out of Aňira, named the (ordinal number) Approach, in the other built, which generally increases from west to east (and probably skipping some numbers) (edited)
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 06:19 PM
@Shyriath Any ideas for countries/cultures to fill the blank spaces in the map?
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Shyriath 08-Aug-18 06:21 PM
'Fraid not. I'm still working on some to fill up my world, I'm not sure I have enough brain left for anyone else's.
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 06:21 PM
Ah
Unfortunately nothing is coming to my mind at this juncture either
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Yoshiman400 08-Aug-18 09:13 PM
Were you thinking something like each country is a different race/species? (edited)
I like the Approach series too
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 09:58 PM
Solid maybe, but I have said before that Daia is split into multiple countries, and the maps have borne that out so far
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Yoshiman400 08-Aug-18 09:59 PM
I'm just not sure how many sentient species (of significant enough population to hold autonomy) exist on Daia outside of Firn
Also, what was it again that made you want to change their country's name from Safiria to Firneramnen?
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 10:03 PM
At least two — nagas and dragons — with the possibility of others (humans and dreamweavers especially)
“Safiria” doesn't sound like the name of a country to me, especially since safir have been known for a long time now to exist on a whole other planet
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Aellor 08-Aug-18 10:05 PM
Words ending in 'a' often have a female association to them in many european languages. So names that end in those might work better for things that can be anthropomorphized as female.
Like cities. Sparta, Alexandria, Roma...
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 10:05 PM
(Also, -ia is a Latin and Greek suffix)
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Aellor 08-Aug-18 10:05 PM
Counterpoint: Italia?
Russia is known as the fatherland... Georgia...
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 10:06 PM
“Italia” is grammatically feminine in Italian and Latin, and “Georgia” is a female name (edited)
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Aellor 08-Aug-18 10:07 PM
Those are counterpoints to my thing about cities rather than countries.
Or states I guess. Point being, Safira works just fine as a country name. Or an empire name.
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Vāstra II 08-Aug-18 10:08 PM
“Safiria” is sometimes used to refer to either Firn or the Alliance, but only ever in foreign, mostly human, languages
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Yoshiman400 08-Aug-18 10:08 PM
Ahhh
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Yoshiman400 09-Aug-18 08:53 PM
Funny thought: Safir favor luxury cars and related goods because their lifespan's generally long enough to actually afford paying for it. =P
Unless there's the concern that they break down before they can be paid in full.
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Vāstra II 09-Aug-18 11:42 PM
Heh
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 03:39 AM
I just realized that, thanks to their infrared vision and, to a lesser extent, sixth sense, safir would have been slower to develop artificial lighting
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Shyriath 15-Aug-18 09:15 PM
Tsk. All that light pollution they missed out on. stick_out_tongue_safir
Also, the approximate current state of the map, cities and subdivisions of Firn not yet labeled.
(...huh. Wonder if the file's too big to generate a preview or something. Can still click on it and do "open original", though.)
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:01 PM
@Shyriath Nice! I'm not a fan of the blackletter font for “DAIA”, though.
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Yoshiman400 15-Aug-18 10:01 PM
>XD "SOME PATRIARCHAL DUDES, I DUNNO"
I don't mind the font, it's just a poor compliment to the font used everywhere else on the map
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:01 PM
Yeah
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Shyriath 15-Aug-18 10:04 PM
Jeez, I try to lend a little class to things. stick_out_tongue_safir
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:11 PM
A cursive font, maybe?
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Yoshiman400 15-Aug-18 10:12 PM
That's possible
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:12 PM
Maybe with the Āirumāli in the background, remind me to get that to you later
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Shyriath 15-Aug-18 10:15 PM
nod
Does Kāstróvel look about right?
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:26 PM
It does
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Shyriath 15-Aug-18 10:28 PM
Yeee.
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:54 PM
I just noticed ASTOKHERAKH (edited)
Also, name idea for patriarchal dudes: Vuiku
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Shyriath 15-Aug-18 10:56 PM
corrects the spelling on the one, inserts the provisional name for the other
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Vāstra II 15-Aug-18 10:56 PM
thumbs_up_safir
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Shyriath 15-Aug-18 11:00 PM
also changes the font on "DAIA" to something more consistent.
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 07:53 PM
Skidoosh.
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:40 PM
FFFFFFFFFFFF
Too small to read the tiny city text, too large when it's fully blown up and all the text is blurry
nvm
it's good now (edited)
Just took a WHILE to load
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:42 PM
I'm on phone 4g. I'll look when I get home from magic
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:42 PM
It is indeed a large, very huge image
@KaliFyre frown_safir at your LGS not having public Wi-Fi
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
They have Ethernet
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
Big file is big indeed. But it's also 1/16th full size, so. stick_out_tongue_safir
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
For their staff pc
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
Oh god XD
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
Damn
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
Not Ethernet. Wi-Fi.
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 08:43 PM
I can try chopping the dimensions in half again, though. Just a sec.
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:44 PM
Alright
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:44 PM
@Shyriath The river that forms part of the border with Atoskherakh is missing. Is that intentional or did the map I provide you suck?
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:44 PM
I'm saying that they don't even have a wifi modern
Literally a switchboard and a Ethernet modem (edited)
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:45 PM
Could you re-explain to me the Aran State in the middle, and why it appears to be perfectly round (if not perfectly circular)?
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:46 PM
It's an enterprise setup for the entire company Networks
So no wifi
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:46 PM
On top of Australian internet being notoriously bad 😛
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:46 PM
Nvm
They have wifi
It's locked
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:46 PM
angry_safir
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:46 PM
oof
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:47 PM
My wifi was turned off haha
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:47 PM
@Yoshiman400 A supposedly-absolute theocracy centered around Daia's highest peak, which is said to be the home of the gods of Ilathnarism; I do not yet have an explanation as to why it's perfectly round.
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:47 PM
Ohhh
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 08:47 PM
@Vāstra II Oh my. I saw a blue line there, but it looked like just some kind of border.
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:47 PM
Can we make it a bit craggy to follow the edges of the mountain?
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:47 PM
@Shyriath Yeah, those borders are all sets of three lines
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:48 PM
@KaliFyre Sure (edited)
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KaliFyre 18-Aug-18 08:48 PM
@Vāstra II
Yay
World bulding and magic
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:49 PM
@Shyriath One river (your call as to name and origin) stops defining the border at the turn north of the Ā in the VĀNARIA legend, where the border is picked up by another river (ditto); both emanate from a lake at that point. (edited)
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 08:51 PM
...it's your world, of course, but I feel compelled to state, as I did relating to one of the island maps for GMan (Amity or Mirioth, I forget which) that rivers generally do not do that.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:53 PM
So a lake can only ever have one river coming out of it? o_o
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 08:53 PM
No, lakes can have multiple rivers
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 08:55 PM
It's possible, but it means that all the exits have to be at the same height. Otherwise the water will just flow out of the lowest one first without reaching the others. That's hard to pull off at a river source, especially if there's mountains.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:55 PM
(2) *draws a diagram of what he's thinking*
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 08:56 PM
It's another thing if the lake is down in the lowlands and everything's near-flat, it's easier there, but river headwaters usually don't do that.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 08:57 PM
;._.
Meanwhile, fucking Pinta is choking on the map, so what I was thinking of is a lake with the two border rivers emerging from it at opposite ends.
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:01 PM
Well, I'm not the one in charge. Was the lake intended to be too small to be seen on the map?
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:02 PM
What's the scale of your map? (the circumference of Daia at the equator is 30 933 km and its surface area 304 582 412 km²) (edited)
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:05 PM
I still haven't worked out how to indicate that in a non-annoying way. In a practical sense, what I meant was: in the file you gave me, was there a lake there that I didn't notice and somehow got rid of, or was it just the rivers?
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:05 PM
Also, Virtaij (in Seivai) should be renamed Virtai.
There should have been a lake there but wasn't, as I forgot that the eastern part of the border was also a river.
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:06 PM
Boosh. Okay then.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:06 PM
(Also there should be more rivers in the everywhere, but I'd almost certainly put them in all the wrong places. :D)
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:08 PM
turns on the topography again to compare it to what he now understands to be river courses.
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Tatsu BOT 18-Aug-18 09:08 PM
🆙 | Shyriath leveled up!
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:12 PM
Honestly, unless you have more detailed topography than this - which is not a criticism, because it's a pain in the butt to do on a planetary scale and I haven't managed it with Avishraa yet - a river is more or less fine as long as it heads toward the sea and doesn't go uphill while it's at it.
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 09:13 PM
Sounds accurate stick_out_tongue_safir
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:19 PM
The west-flowing river would satisfy that condition, but the east-flowing one, if it does indeed define the northeastern borders of Firn all the way to the Bay of Tribes, crosses the mountains. Though if we assume the topography as presented is just approximate, it could be that there's a valley or something there it's flowing through.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:23 PM
Probably
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:24 PM
OK, I'll see if I can figure out how to put the rivers back in.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:24 PM
thumbs_up_safir
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:45 PM
@Vāstra II Also, clarification: I was using CA for the names. In the CA file you gave me, the one city was Virtaij, but in MA it was Virtai. Just to be sure: it should have been Virtai for both?
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:45 PM
Yes
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:46 PM
All righty.
New draft, also shrunk from the last one.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 09:57 PM
Nice!
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 09:58 PM
MUCH more manageable!
I like it!
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 09:58 PM
Yay, not as much connection-blitzing.
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 10:01 PM
And it now renders in Discord!
(Also, I like the new “DAIA” font)
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Shyriath 18-Aug-18 10:02 PM
Also a plus.
➕ 1
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 10:06 PM
Hrm
Hal, what forms the majority of the curved borders in Firn? (edited)
There's a few straight lines but even those don't seem to follow latitude or longitude
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 10:28 PM
Either rivers, roads, or just arbitrary lines that date back to some ancient conflict or something
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Yoshiman400 18-Aug-18 10:29 PM
Huh, so they have curvy border roads? That ought to be fun for people to drive XD
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Vāstra II 18-Aug-18 10:32 PM
Of course there are also other things like networks of Messenger towers, where a river used to be 70 000 years ago, etc.
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Yoshiman400 20-Aug-18 08:04 PM
Hehe
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Vāstra II 22-Aug-18 07:19 AM
I wonder if psychoelectricity (i.e. the harvesting of electricity from electrokinetics) would be a viable, if ethically questionable, source of industrial-age power alongside coal, oil, and later fission — needless to say all four are ancient relics in Firneramnen's modern day
If it is then the shifts would have to be quite short and widely spaced out to avoid literal burnout or death
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KaliFyre 22-Aug-18 07:25 AM
Yeah
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Vāstra II 27-Aug-18 02:06 AM
Pinned a message.
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Yoshiman400 27-Aug-18 07:49 PM
Ooh o.O
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Vāstra II 07-Sep-18 12:02 PM
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/183099814404292608/487582025465987072/Safir_Queen.jpg Vāstra II, Queen of Firneramnen and Safir Empress, eldest sister and foremost mother. (Illus. Raptor-177)
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Yoshiman400 08-Sep-18 08:04 PM
That's pretty cool, except I think her left eye is a bit oversized despite the perspective
I'm also relieved she has that cape to protect her hair from running along the ground the whole time 😛
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Vāstra II 08-Sep-18 11:18 PM
It is, as are her feet
That's the train, not a cape
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Yoshiman400 08-Sep-18 11:18 PM
My bad~
...yeah you're right her feet are gigantic XD
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Shyriath 09-Sep-18 07:53 AM
("all the better to kick butt with, my dear") (edited)
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Vāstra II 12-Sep-18 12:17 PM
An increasing number of cities around the US are choosing to tear down or transform parts of their dilapidated interstates, rather than repair them, and turning them into parks, boulevards, and housing.
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Vāstra II 12-Sep-18 01:15 PM
debates internally whether Daia should have hurricanes, since Ⓐ Daia has a panthalassa but Ⓑ he's said before that extreme weather isn't a thing on Daia, and Aňira, the most important city on the planet — and indeed in the entire Safir Alliance — would be directly in the line of fire of most of them
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Vāstra II 12-Sep-18 01:37 PM
Another question I'm grappling with is “What might a city look like after cars?”, since the safir, generally speaking, have quite advanced technology compared to us, and are also far more communal in nature, which I think would inhibit the rise of private automobiles?
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KaliFyre 12-Sep-18 01:41 PM
Indeed
I think there would be a lot more bicycles and such
Walking paths are king
I daresay intra city transport be bikes and walking, whole inter City would be trains or such.
Aviation too
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Vāstra II 12-Sep-18 01:43 PM
[9/12/2018, 1:43:06 PM] Hālian: The main modalities of public transport in Aňira… are train (distance to ground not specified, since I have no fucking idea where the water table would be), maglev (ostensibly intercity, but the multiple in-state stops are Useful), floating bus, and maybe taxi/rideshare (also floating) [9/12/2018, 1:43:15 PM] Hālian: I think if Aňira had expressways they'd be underground by now
Walking and *bicycles would be queen at short distances, and airplanes would obv be Vāla-friendly instead of chugging dinosaur juice like irl
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KaliFyre 12-Sep-18 02:01 PM
Yep
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Vāstra II 19-Sep-18 07:05 AM
Mars P.D. will have to deal with new blood-spatter patterns, different body decay rates, and space-suit sabotage—and they won’t be able to fire guns indoors.
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Vāstra II 20-Sep-18 09:40 AM
Maybe safir computers use queues instead of stacks. (Background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWQ74f2ot7E)
The "stack" is referenced a lot when dealing with memory and control flow, but what does it actually do? It's all explained right here. LINKS Twitter (update...
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Vāstra II 24-Sep-18 08:05 AM
While I was making breakfast just now, the idea popped into my head of a civil war in Firn in the 28th century, between the government and two different extremist societies. There now follows a backstory that I've written over the past hour and change, and am not sure if it totally makes sense. Please give feedback. LFP advocated the following eponymous policy, while SLS agitated for a simpler, elvenist platform, ground in complete forsaking of modern society and a return to “oneness with the Great Ancestrix”: 1. Permanent reversion of the recent grant of certain rights, and formal citizenship, to male safir. 2. Dreamweaver genocide and permanent closure of the ancient province of Camvin, which was holy land to a druidic sect whose traditions and rituals have been coöpted in a sort of safir neopaganism, and which has been covered in dreamweaver webs for over a thousand years. 3. Abolition of the Firneramnese government in favor of a return to theocratic absolute monarchy. 4. Recapture of Thither Marakh (now part of Atoskherakh), which had been lost to Ugör some 180 years earlier. 5. Expulsion of immigrants and non-safir (which conveniently included safir judged insufficiently receptive of traditional safir [read: Firneramnese] customs, etc.) from Firneramnen. The situation would have started with the appointment of the outspoken male SLS supporter Silŵay to the Chancery of Firneramnen, which by 2700 had grown akin to the US' General Services Administration and Government Publishing Office combined; he immediately clashed with Devika Aura Āmāndrālei, the Chief Lightbender (i.e. administratrix of certain publick utilities) and a former hired infiltratrix of protest groups; and Torù, the head male of the realm and a longtime financial backer of LFP; more broadly, it can also be said to have been exacerbated by the appointment of members of the League and Society to the Assembly of Experts (the protoparliamentary advisory body of the day). (edited)
Additionally, there were rumors of secret decrees leveled against the League and Society, and the expansion of antiässembly powers granted to those bodies tasked with policing, especially in the then-capital at Qalani, where the League was most popular. A rushed informal alliance was struck between League marshal Uru Zaqao (the sighted descendant of a prestigious line of sybil-mage-sires eternally bound to the god Palařo), Society heresiarchine Storace Mismar Azálei (a well-known *flautist & calligrapher, patron of Torù's, mother to fourteen of his myriad children, and third cousin of the reigning queen, Alyra), and the dragon Ascent-of-the-Second-Sun, who had insinuated verself in the politics of the “antfolk” (safir-sized sapients) of ver territory, which included the eastern third of Aňira. Among the deals reached were the division of spheres of influence between the League and Society within the government, a commitment to the artificial rise of draconic supremacism by the end of the millennium, and the forcible protection of certain nagan elements from, ostensibly, themselves. Some months later, amid fistfights between allied members and pro-government backbenchers in the Assembly of Expers, reports of rolling blackouts in the common male residences of Aňira, and chronic gas leaks at Old Chancery House, the alliance was tested when Storace sought and received, in the male role, a mating encounter with the queen's maiden daughter, Grand Princess Kiva, during which Storace allegedly planted suggestions in the young princess' mind that led to the setting of a royal decree mandating the protection of a conclave whose druid-sires had agitated most outspokenly in favor of the grant of rights. That flames then consumed the conclave led to the pointing of fingers (and claws!) at Ascent-of-the-Second-Sun and ver newly volant clutch, in whose territory lay the smoldering ruins.
Storace, an ethnic Marakhai, was then quick to jump to Ascent-of-the-Second-Sun's defense, leaking supposed secret conclave documents describing the condition of the buildings as “a tinder box… so wracked by thirst as to welcome the seraphess of fire with open arms”, and authorizing a bribe to the city's department of buildings to turn a blind eye. This left Uru Zaqao to twist in the wind: to show solidarity with Storace would require repudiating one of the five points for which the League was named, but adhesion to that ideology would no doubt put him and LFP in the line of fire. Thus it was that, twelve days later, the antepenultimate Southeastern palatinate dragon — and the only one of the three capable of siring whelps — bled ver last on Silŵay's doorstep and the adjoining Blackrill Pike. Ver last words were reported as “He sees you, and yet cannot see you”, leading the press to accuse Uru Zaqao of ver murder. This set off a spate of retaliatory arson attacks, bombings, assassinations and, on one occasion, a swordfight, which period is known to Aňirei as the Dragon's Funeral. These escalated in severity until a botched van bombing of a naval yard led to the unprecedented attempted capture of League and Society offices by the Firneramnese army. These operations, however — codenamed HAIR BRUSH and NAIL CLIPPER — were hindered by the presence of thousands of both organizations' partisans, intent on sacrificing themselves for the twin dark angels of absolutism and elvenism. A tsunami of blood bathed the streets of the XXXIVth Ward. The resulting war lasted nine years, claimed a million souls, and led to the upheaval of the system of government that had persisted for eleven centuries hence, in favor of the genesis of the modern Firneramnese administration, alongside the supplantment of the ancient provinces with a new system of presidencies, and new provinces below them. (edited)
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 08:00 PM
WHOA ;o.o
Also, that Alyra is not related to the one you currently play, right?
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Vāstra II 24-Sep-18 08:04 PM
She is not
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Yoshiman400 24-Sep-18 08:04 PM
Didn't think so
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:16 PM
Thoughts, criticism, etc.? ;'.' (edited)
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:16 PM
You never dumped the logs XD
afaik
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:17 PM
What logs? I don't recall mentioning logs in the above o.o (edited)
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:18 PM
...wrong channel >w<
I was thinking #nsfw-ideas
That's a pretty wild turn of events
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:19 PM
How so?
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:24 PM
All the crazy conservative policy suggestions and stuff...also draconic government
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:25 PM
This would have been long before human contact, and Ascent-of-the-Second-Sun is probably akin to the boss of a political machine or something in ver role, or perhaps even to a mafia boss in old New York
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:25 PM
Also HAIR BRUSH and NAIL CLIPPER are amusing operation codenames
huh
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:26 PM
Because they were trying to “clean up” Aňira
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:26 PM
...I like that.
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:26 PM
'w'
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:42 PM
Any criticism/etc. at length, by chance? Extra points if you can help me paper over fill in plot holes X3
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:42 PM
Hrm
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:44 PM
While you're hrming, I will note that the Chief Lightbender and its counterpart, the Chief Waterbender, are offices that still exist in modern-day Firn, regulating uilities that use wires (electricity, phone, Internet…) and pipes (water, gas…), respectively
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:44 PM
What do LFP and SLS stand for again?
and interesting
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:45 PM
LFP = League of Five Points, an archconservative political movement agitating for the five points listed above SLS = Steel Leaf Society, an elvenist political movement advocating that society be forsaken and all safir return to nature
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:46 PM
And what Daian year is present day again?
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:46 PM
4821 (edited)
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:46 PM
Ah
I can't think of a lot of plot holes, although I am curious as to why the dragon was targeted 😛
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:52 PM
A conclave that just received royal protection burning down under suspicious circumstances? Nope, no way a dragon could possibly have done that stick_out_tongue_safir
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:52 PM
Ohhhhhhhh I gets it
I was thinking it was more of an arson thing than draconic fury
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:53 PM
The reason ve was killed was that Uru Zaqao had no response that didn't include getting into deep shit
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:53 PM
yeah XD
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:53 PM
Draconic fury occasioning arson :>
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:53 PM
Well, technically he still did get into it
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:53 PM
Tru
His thought process was that people would be too busy being relived that Ascent-of-the-Second-Sun couldn't meddle in city politics anymore to suspect ve was murdered… but that was the day Uru Zaqao learned that there is such a thing as killing someone harder
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:55 PM
heheh
And how was HE killed?
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:55 PM
He wasn't, at least not explicitly
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:55 PM
Oh
I figured you meant "such a thing as killing someone harder" as him getting it in retaliation
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:56 PM
He didn't kill Ascent-of-the-Second-Sun hard enough, as ve was still alive when ver body was dumped on Silŵay's doorstep (also a bad move in and of itself)
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:56 PM
oh
And were the babies killed as well?
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:56 PM
Were I around, I would have suggested something like dropping a single scale in the mailbox stick_out_tongue_safir
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:56 PM
LOL
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 10:57 PM
Unknown
I imagine baby dragons would be very good at making themselves scarce
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 10:57 PM
hehe
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 11:01 PM
I should elaborate on what happened to the certain nagan elements, as well as how Silŵay, Devika Aura, and Torù felt about all this.
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 11:02 PM
Who is Silway? Also I just realized Toru is backing a company that threatens to revoke his rights. *snrk*
oh right, the SLS guy
I see
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Vāstra II 26-Sep-18 11:05 PM
It probably helps that Torù holds Crown office
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Yoshiman400 26-Sep-18 11:06 PM
yeah XD
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Yoshiman400 30-Sep-18 08:34 PM
Another odd idea I had: the duration of a safir maternal leave scales in relation to the length of their gestation to best estimates, enacted to prevent those from freeloading on a short pregnancy
Although the government ought to be obligated to (re-)extend such a leave if late-term/birth complications occur
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Vāstra II 30-Sep-18 09:18 PM
I like that idea
especially since it also has an allowance built-in for non-safir mothers, who won't necessarily gestate for one Terran year under ideal conditions
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 08:34 AM
contemplates replacing the current system of grammatical gender.
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Shyriath 04-Oct-18 10:41 AM
What with?
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 01:50 PM
Not entirely sure; High Valyrian's solar/lunar/terrestrial/aquatic system I quite like, though
Āirumāli might have separate grammatical genders for each moon if it has something like that lol
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Shyriath 04-Oct-18 03:48 PM
I don't have much input, except to say that I approve of noun classification that moves into different territory than the masculine/feminine.
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Vāstra II 04-Oct-18 09:53 PM
😃
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Vāstra II 22-Oct-18 09:21 PM
Googling "alien computer" is nowhere near as productive as I was hoping (trying to find detailed examples of such in science fiction).
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Shyriath 22-Oct-18 11:28 PM
Yes, one gets the impression that most people sort of BS it as far as how it works. I've always thought that that might be a legacy of the frightening speed at which computing has progressed on Earth. It's hard not to think about that and think that making detailed predictions about alien computers might look silly.
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Vāstra II 23-Oct-18 02:05 AM
Hrm :/
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:00 PM
[5:15 PM] JediRangerPink: Was doing some research on colour and language inspired by @Hālian, and thought this might be useful for someone: https://youtu.be/gMqZR3pqMjg [6:15 PM] Archeoraptor38: good [7:59 PM] Hālian: Yep [8:00 PM] Hālian: (Dark) blue would likely take the place of red for safir, though, since they have blue blood; red would take the place of blue; and light blue would probably go with purple/orange/gray/pink
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Why so many languages invented words for colors in the same order. Subscribe to our channel! http://goo.gl/0bsAjO In 1969, two Berkeley researchers, Paul Kay...
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:01 PM
I think I've seen this one before
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:02 PM
The video you have, but likely not the comment I included
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:02 PM
No XD
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:03 PM
Safir be like <No wonder you're so violent; your banners of "neutrality" are blood-colored! o_o>
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:03 PM
XD
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:10 PM
I'm surprised blue is so far down the list due to how the sky is about as universal as blood
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:12 PM
Yeah
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:12 PM
I forgot, what color is the Daian sky?
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:12 PM
I believe it's still blue
That said the safir probably invented colors in a different order because | -o- | ALIENS
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:13 PM
Hehehe
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:13 PM
Of course they may also have invented them in a substantially similar order because of the running theory that humans are a product of safir meddling in some way (edited)
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 08:14 PM
"humans mare a product of safir meddling"?
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Vāstra II 05-Nov-18 08:15 PM
Thanks, fixed
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Yoshiman400 05-Nov-18 09:02 PM
Hehehe
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Vāstra II 06-Nov-18 01:11 AM
Pinned a message.
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Vāstra II 09-Nov-18 04:41 AM
Pinned a message.
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Yoshiman400 11-Nov-18 10:19 PM
"Oklahoma style land rush"?
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Vāstra II 11-Nov-18 10:21 PM
Currently; part of me however thinks that the area, or a segment thereof, was part of Thither Marakh or similar before coming into Firneramnese possession, so
(then again they could still stage a land rush to drive/after driving out the Marakhai &etc.)
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Yoshiman400 11-Nov-18 10:22 PM
Heh
Alright then
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Vāstra II 13-Nov-18 08:46 PM
[8:45 PM] NexxusDrako: Damn @KaliFyre All discussion of content in #general-resources is to be directed to #alliance-worldbuilding.
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KaliFyre 13-Nov-18 10:04 PM
Sorry
My bad
Please don't ban me bold text is actually scary
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Vāstra II 13-Nov-18 10:16 PM
I'm not, but it needed to be pointed out anyway
I wish either channel topics were more visible or Discord had Twitch-style popups when you click on the input box so users could be reminded of the channel rules in a more immediate fashion
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Vāstra II 16-Nov-18 02:56 AM
A long-standing facet of Firneramnese culture is that every able-bodied woman is expected to serve in the military in order to be a full citizen, so that she may be able to aid fully in the national defense if and when necessary. Conversely, Firneramnen would probably have an undersized active-duty force for its population.
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Yoshiman400 17-Nov-18 09:06 PM
In case it hasn't been finalized yet, what would be the typical form(s) for "male diminutive" forms of feminine/azhar safir names?
I know @Vāstra II and I have discussed it privately before but I don't think any have ever been made official
Or if there even is a pattern to begin with
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Vāstra II 20-Nov-18 05:43 PM
/me just finished writing down some stuff about political ideologies in Firneramnen, now to transliterate it since I doubt y’all can read my handwriting
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Shyriath 20-Nov-18 06:06 PM
can barely read his own handwriting, much less anyone else's
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Vāstra II 20-Nov-18 06:14 PM
same
I’m not satisfied with the alienness of these ideologies, mainly because I’m not an alien & I’m very rarely satisfied with my own work. :x
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 07:08 PM
hmms, scratches his head at the idea of redoing Ãirumāli’s noun class system into something other than grammatical gender, using High Valyrian, especially, as a model
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 07:11 PM
^ When you say you aren't satisfied with the "alienness", does that mean you aren't satisfied that the ideologies are alien enough, or you feel they're too alien?
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 07:12 PM
The former; when asking for feedback on another server, I was told that they’re too close to unspecified modern-day political ideologies
BRB, dinner
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 07:16 PM
Haven't read the doc, but if others have said that and if you're suspicious/insecure about it, I'm sure they are (too human / not alien enough) by MY hardcore standards though
I'd volunteer to try and help with that, but...not to be selfish just honestly... I have too much of my own stuff to work on and not even enough time/energy/motivation/satisfaction with that 😅
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 07:33 PM
I understand
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 08:19 PM
what is typical/majority safir cuisine/diet like?
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 08:22 PM
Mainly vegetarian, owing to the safir's respect for nature and a drawback of their natural empathic ability that causes them to feel an often-debilitating burst of negative emotions whenever something with half a brain dies nearby; the most common protein is fish, who lack the required amount of brain cells to rub together
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 08:24 PM
So, are they disgusted by human meat dishes? (Are there foods/dishes of one of the Alliance races that another race is disgusted by?)
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 08:24 PM
I can't say for certain that they're disgusted by carnivory
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 08:25 PM
Also, that leads me to wonder... if a safir were handed an already-prepared meat dish or just, like, slab of meat, would they still have empathic issues, or does bypassing the butchering bypass the problem?
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 08:25 PM
That said, the cuisine of other species that are exclusively carnivorous would be disgusting to safir
The empathic issues occur when the animal dies; however, I imagine a number of safir would still have ethical qualms about eating meat (edited)
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Shyriath 05-Dec-18 08:28 PM
The Çerid would be baffled. 😛
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 08:28 PM
Makes sense. And funny to me; Jer is gunna be such a demon to them lmao (WAIT, WHO THE Çerid ?!)
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Shyriath 05-Dec-18 08:31 PM
The Çerid are a creation of mine - they live outside this setting, though I have been tempted to contrive a reason for them to appear.
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 08:32 PM
DO IT!! (Bring some into the rp!!!)
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Vāstra II 05-Dec-18 08:32 PM
YES PLS
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Shyriath 05-Dec-18 08:33 PM
Among other things, the Çerid are also empathic, but because the capability evolved as a hunting tool, their ability to pick up others' feelings has really different implications than they would for the safir.
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Jeylien 05-Dec-18 08:34 PM
(And if @Vāstra II is going to canonize this planet and it's mysterious stormy phenomenon, that'd give you a potential method to bring some of the Çerid through in canon, if Halian's cool with it of course)
Ooooh, I love the idea of empathy-as-hunting-tool!!
They would UNDERSTAND/like my OC Jeremy lol